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Sharks await big meal but may go away hungry
More than a couple of e-mailers to the newspaper can't discuss the recent housing plunge without cackling with pleasure. Okay, so I can't hear them cackling, but that's the tone of their messages.
By James Thorner, Times Staff Writer
Published January 7, 2008
More than a couple of e-mailers to the newspaper can't discuss the recent housing plunge without cackling with pleasure. Okay, so I can't hear them cackling, but that's the tone of their messages. Some salivate at the prospect of scooping up cheap houses from chumps who rashly bought at the housing peak. They'll wait for the Great Meltdown and then come in to sop up the drippings. Some even predict a return to three-bedroom, two-bath houses in the suburbs for $88,000. They've got some support for their schadenfreude. In the past 18 months, the Tampa Bay area's median home price has dropped 21 percent, from $239,600 to $189,100. Naples, where median prices topped $500,000 in the fall of 2005, watched prices plunge to $415,000 a year later before shell-shocked Realtors stopped publishing the data. These aren't selective statistics gleefully gleaned from an I-Told-You-There's-a-Housing-Bubble Web site. They come straight from Florida Realtors themselves. But I can't escape the feeling that this particular brand of bottom feeder is doomed to be disappointed. When it comes to housing, what goes up just doesn't seem to go down, at least not permanently. People have moaned about the ridiculously high price of California real estate since Charlie Chaplin was the king of Hollywood. But after several real estate booms and busts, you still struggle to find a house in San Francisco for less than $750,000. Remember Massachusetts? The high cost of living was supposed to finish off a state dubbed Tax-a-chusetts. The last one to leave Boston, please turn out the lights. But home sellers still easily collect more than $500,000 for modest homes in the Boston 'burbs. You can say we're neither California nor Massachusetts, so those rules don't apply to us. True. But neither are we Flint, Mich., or Midland, Texas, where our fortunes are tied to the fickle fortunes of an automobile or oil industry. In the early 1980s, our home prices hovered around $50,000. In the early 1990s, despite a decade of high interest rates on mortgages, homes were worth about $75,000. By 2000 our median home price topped $100,000. Even then we were still undervalued compared to other cities in the Sun Belt. Prices appreciated fairly normally until the insane run-up between 2004 and 2006. Inasmuch as speculators drove up the median home price to its $239,600 peak in June 2006, we need to see a correction. We've already seen part of that correction. But don't expect a steal of a deal on every block. Subtract the speculators and inflation runs about 3 percent a year. Incomes have climbed over the years in Tampa, albeit slowly. Tens of thousands of people are locked into homes bought at boomtown prices. They won't give away their money without a struggle. I have a name for house hunters counting on a return to 1998 prices: lifelong renters. James Thorner can be reached at thorner@sptimes.com or 813 226-3313.
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by Diana
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01/08/08 05:41 PM
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How does this guy qualify to be a writer at a newspaper? What happened to objectuvuty?
Don't blame renters for your "investment" gone wrong.
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by Manny
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01/08/08 10:33 AM
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That point of view is fine and dandy unless (or until) the area gets hit by rising unemployment and/or a Katrina or Andrew-type storm. Then you won't be able to give your house away for free. Check Houston in the mid-80's.
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by pete
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01/08/08 12:47 AM
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Still got your head in the sand I see. It suits you.
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by Jason
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01/08/08 12:13 AM
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What planet does this guy live on? Tampa is toast.
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by Joe
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01/07/08 11:58 PM
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Take a look at Japan chum. And while you're at it, study the German real estate history of the past 50 years, or the Dutch experience. The majority still rent in Germany, and it's not because there aren't houses cheap enough to buy!!!
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by Ken Noll
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01/07/08 11:26 PM
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Your quote: "I have a name for house hunters counting on a return to 1998 prices: lifelong renters." is hilarious! Why buy when you can rent at a fraction of the cost? It's simple economics. Prices will be at 1998 levels in the next few years!
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by Jason
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01/07/08 04:22 PM
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Incomes have climbed? Man, I must be in the wrong biz. Same pay since 2000.
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by peter
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01/07/08 04:10 PM
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When you say that people won't give away their money without a struggle, do you mean that they will put a gun to a buyers head and make them buy their house at 2005 prices?
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by peter
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01/07/08 03:59 PM
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It is not true that people won't give away their money without a struggle. If the value of their house has dropped by 20% what kind of struggle can they put up? I suggest storming the Florida State Capitol Building with torches and pitchforks.
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by Mo Money
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01/07/08 03:13 PM
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How old is the writer ? Remember the Internet stock debacle Junior ?
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by Incredulous
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01/07/08 01:34 PM
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Haha. Silly reporter. It's the P/E ratio. I rent for 25% of the owners carrying costs. LITERALLY. That's money saved in the bank every month while his investment loses value. While 25% is the extreme 40-60% is VERY common. DO YOUR RESEARCH!
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by Ann
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01/07/08 12:54 PM
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How upside down on his mortgage is the writer? Prices DEFINITELY do come down and stay down when adjusted for inflation.
The historical rate of appreciation (calculated over 350 years &100 years) is 1.9% per year. '98' $100000 = $120700 in '08,
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by D
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01/07/08 12:01 PM
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And not to long ago there was no "housing bubble." How does the saying go? Opinions are like...
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by Gordon
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01/07/08 11:49 AM
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Mr. Thorner compares Tampa's real estate prices with prices in California and Boston. Not the growth, but simply the historical price levels. What he does not mention is these areas have fundamental reasons for higher prices. Wages are much higher
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by D
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01/07/08 10:31 AM
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It would be a more persausive argument if you backed it up with more facts. The enormous run up in Real Estate prices has not been followed by a subsequent rise in incomes. Also the cost of renting is significantly lower than owning.
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by Art
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01/07/08 10:07 AM
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Fundamentals do not support the high cost of homes even at these reduced prices. Incomes certainly cannot support the $500K mortgages in a retirement state that is prone to natural disasters and even the $250K prices.
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by Dirk
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01/07/08 10:05 AM
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Desperate James. Let me ask, during the boom did you call real estate prices insane, or did you talk about how everyone wants a place in Florida and that the old rules don't apply. Truly a pathetic advertisement masking as a news article.
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by Robert
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01/07/08 08:49 AM
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I will be utterly shocked if House prices do not drop back to their
historical norms , maybe not $88,000
for a three-bedroom, two-bath houses in the suburbs , but $120,000 is very realistic .Still far cheaper to rent than it is to own :)
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