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City targets homeless again

St. Petersburg is adding new rules aimed at the homeless, especially a tent city outside City Hall.

By ABHI RAGHUNATHAN, Times Staff Writer
Published January 10, 2008


William Shumate, 59, and Savannah Brockelman, 22, sit outside City Hall in an encampment of homeless people.
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From left, Bryan Marlin, 20, Lewis Maines, 53, and William Shumate, 59, work on bicycle repairs at Second Avenue N and Fifth Street N in St. Petersburg on Wednesday outside City Hall. Now the city wants to get them to "move on."

ST. PETERSBURG - For months, just a few feet from the steps of City Hall, a makeshift encampment has grown. Dozens of homeless people now sleep along the sidewalk and store their belongings in sleeping bags, old suitcases and shopping carts.

They aren't breaking any laws, according to police. But now city leaders want to change the laws to get rid of them.

Strict new ordinances would expand a ban on panhandling, give the city the power to seize private property from the homeless and forbid people from sleeping, lying down or even reclining on public rights of way in downtown St. Petersburg.

The City Council will discuss the proposals at an 8:30 a.m. meeting today. Mayor Rick Baker says he supports the plan.

"I think we need to continue our efforts to help folks in our community that want to work toward independence," Baker said. "We also need to do things to protect the quality of life in our city."

But advocates for the homeless and several of the people who sleep just outside City Hall said the new rules would just make their lives even harder.

"Even an animal can lie down and sleep where it wants to," said Lewis Maines, 53, a homeless man who's been outside City Hall since October. "What they're telling us is that we don't have the same rights as animals."

The proposals came out of a council session in December. Former council member Bill Foster said the situation near City Hall moved him to propose the changes, as had complaints from downtown business owners.

"Quite honestly, St. Petersburg has become a little too comfortable for people who choose this (homelessness) as a lifestyle," Foster said. "I don't want St. Petersburg to be comfortable for them. I want them to choose this lifestyle somewhere else."

The city entered the national spotlight last year after police seized and slashed tents used by the homeless for shelter. After a national outcry, Baker and police Chief Chuck Harmon called the raids a mistake, and the fallout from eventually led to the creation of Pinellas Hope, an outdoor shelter.

But the city also enacted stricter rules that targeted the homeless and were designed to outlaw new impromptu tent cities from forming on sidewalks. The ordinances also prohibited people from sleeping on rights of way if shelter space was available.

The new proposals go even further in the limits placed on homeless people in downtown by expanding the section of downtown where panhandling is prohibited. The council is slated to hold a final hearing and possibly approve the new limits on panhandling today.

The two other proposed changes will have their first readings today, meaning even if they are approved the council will have to pass them a second time before they become law.

Times researcher Shirl Kennedy contributed to this report.

[Last modified January 9, 2008, 23:46:41]


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by Pam 01/11/08 04:53 AM
Oh yeah, get a job? If they were Mexican. Get off the Soap Box.
by Jack 01/11/08 12:13 AM
The homeless take from society, they cost businesses the right to earn a fair wage. Why should you receive if you don't give back something. Human waste and garbage in public doesn't count. Most don't even try. I know my brother was homeless. ask him
by Kat 01/10/08 06:06 PM
SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DID NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE ON THE STREETS. WE NEED TO HELP THEM, NOT STEP ON THEM EVEN MORE. WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU ALL? SEEMS TO ME, VERY SELFISH, NO CONCERN FOR OTHERS. HOPE YOU DON'T END UP IN THE STREETS
by JP 01/10/08 05:33 PM
In order to sell newspapers the St Pete Times has given a platform to Bruce Wright the self appointed messiah, encourages him and he, the homeless. The go to jail he makes bail and they are not homeless tonight.
by KT 01/10/08 03:10 PM
The laws we have now need to be enforced and they are not, we need to start there and then look at creating additional laws. I do not like going downtown because of the homeless problem and it is embarrasing to say you are from St Pete.
by P 01/10/08 02:37 PM
Seizing PRIVATE property? Explanation please?...Foster: Most do not "choose" this life and you are an incredibly ignorant man to think so...Pete: Exactly right. Don't want to deal with the problem, they just want to move it.
by PK 01/10/08 01:37 PM
And while you're at it please move the buses out of williams park and then maybe one day someone will actually step foot into it without the hassle of being asked to "help" with some loose change.
by Kay 01/10/08 12:16 PM
Well said, Dawn. I am not homeless and have a job and sometimes I like to take a nap on a park bench during lunch (downtown). Sounds like I would be subject to arrest by doing so if these changes are made. It's unreasonable.
by Kay 01/10/08 11:33 AM
What are people in there early 20's doing living on the street? GET A JOB. IT IS VERY COMFORTABLE, to be homeless in St. Pete. Enough already!!
by Bob 01/10/08 11:20 AM
Homeless doesn't mean you have the right to sleep anywhere you want. These are bums, not homeless people trying to get help. There is a difference!
by Non-Liberal 01/10/08 11:11 AM
people need to stop making excuses. st. pete has become a safe haven for these deranged people and we need to CLEAN OUR CITY UP. stop the PC crap. i'm sick of it. you liberals can move back up north.
by Dawn 01/10/08 09:54 AM
When did it become legal to pick out one group of people to discriminate against? Rick Baker needs to be homeless for awhile.He obviously has no understanding of these people or their situation. Shame on him.
by Paul 01/10/08 09:44 AM
I have lived and worked downtown for a number of years. Why is it that recently (within the past couple of years) we have had such a problem? We did not have that problem with homeless a few years ago. Cops in carts WERE a normal site. Not now!
by JK 01/10/08 09:02 AM
If they'd have left the tents alone down by the interstate, we wouldn't have this problem now. Thanks, Rick! Another great day in St. Petersburg!
by Kevin 01/10/08 08:11 AM
It may cost them there POLITICAL futures.
by Kevin 01/10/08 08:03 AM
this kind of presence of these derelicts in this city. As long as we keep making excuses for the their illegal and in your face behavior.They will never leave.I realize that there are people in true need,but the majority,are trying to use well-
by Kevin 01/10/08 07:55 AM
This ongoing issue is truly going to reach a boiling point. And if I were one of the new resident's of the downtown area,I most assuredly would have already arrived at that point.I grew up in this city,an in all my life (47 years)I have never seen,
by Pete 01/10/08 07:27 AM
It sounds like the old "Not in my back yard" Evryone but the mayors neighborhood has homeless living on the streets and alley ways. It's time they give up their water front property rights to the ones who pay for it.
by Bryan 01/10/08 07:25 AM
Do we no longer have vagrancy laws that prohibit loitering in public places? Is there a failure to enforce laws already in place to control this type of behavior? People who choose this lifestyle should be removed from our city streets.
by Clifford 01/10/08 07:01 AM
There are leash laws for cats and dogs, if they are found wandering the streets and the public ROW, they too can be picked up by the Humane Society. The same goes for the homeless. Congratulations to a former councilmember that has the backbone.
by Jeff 01/10/08 06:39 AM
They should move to the sidewalks in front of Baker's home.
by Mike 01/10/08 06:24 AM
Could we please move the Salvation Army homeless away from Bartlett Park and Old Southeast? Many support the neighborhood's drug dealers worsen and ancillary crimes
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