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New rules will kill us, grouper fishers say
Federal regulators may cut gag fishing in the gulf by 45 percent.
By STEVE NOHLGREN, Times Staff Writer
Published January 30, 2008
Jason Herr loads a gag grouper into a box packed with ice for shipment from Madeira Beach after fishing boats brought in a catch to the Madeira Beach Seafood Co. from the first week of commercial fishing in March 2006.
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Captain Carl Morgan, his grandson Zach Bishoff and Ray Quilliam, from left, fish for grouper about 80 miles west of John's Pass during the season in 2006.
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ST. PETERSBURG -- Federal regulators took preliminary steps Tuesday to reduce gag grouper fishing in the Gulf of Mexico by 45 percent, a severe cutback that could cripple commercial fisherman and the charter boat industry.
The proposed restrictions would close down recreational grouper fishing for three months in the winter, just when tourists arrive.
Commercial fisherman would face a quota on gag for the first time, with limits tight enough to shut down the entire grouper fleet every year by October or so -- forcing restaurants and consumers to rely on imports.
The cuts would spill over to other grouper species as well, because grouper swim together, and it's impossible to protect one species without inadvertently cracking down on others.
"This will cost the state of Florida $300-million in direct expenditures,'" said Dennis O'Hern, director of a recreational advocacy group called the Fishermen's Rights Alliance.
With a bag limit of only one gag and only nine months to fish for any kind of grouper, anglers will not sink $20,000 or $30,000 into offshore boats and spend hundreds of dollars in fuel to go bottom fishing, O'Hern said. Tourists will not spend $1,000 to hire a charter boat.
"This is going to kill us," said Tarpon Springs charter boat captain Ed Walker. Migratory fish like king mackerel, cobia and tarpon hang out in warmer southern waters during the winter, he said. Red snapper, another popular offshore bottom fish, is already under tight restriction because of dwindling stocks.
"Essentially they have left us nothing to fish for during the peak tourist season," Walker said.
Federal law leaves regulators little choice. Biological studies indicate that the gulf's gag grouper stock is being fished at unsustainable levels. Regulators are required to impose restrictions to protect the fish.
"It will impact some fishermen, no question," said Roy Crabtree, administrator for the National Marine Fisheries Service's Southeastern Region. "But the long-term results of all these measures is that we will have an economic gain if the stocks rebound."
Though the gulf holds dozens of grouper species, gag and red grouper are the two most important. Gag is the preferred target of recreational anglers. It migrates close to shore and even into Tampa Bay during the winter, which gives people with smaller boats a chance to catch it when weather cooperates.
Commercial fishermen have historically caught more red grouper, but gag has made up about one-third of the catch in recent years. Restaurants often charge a premium for gag because many people think it tastes and flakes better than red grouper. Menus often label gag as "black grouper" because it sounds better.
Though some grouper are caught in the Atlantic Ocean, most are caught in the relatively shallow water off Florida's West Coast. When federal biologists decided about two years ago that gag stocks were in trouble, the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council began to study how best to cut back.
Tuesday's action was a vote of the council's Reef Fish Management Committee. The full council will hear public comment today and then vote to accept the committee's recommendation in full or tweak it. The council then plans to accept written comments for a few months and impose final rules at its April meeting, Crabtree said.
Here is a rundown of the proposed changes:
-Recreational anglers could not bottom fish for grouper from Jan. 15 through April 15, which spans the peaks of both the red and gag grouper spawning seasons.
-During other months, recreational anglers would be limited to three grouper per person, per trip, down from the current "bag limit" of five. Only one of those grouper could be a gag.
-Commercial fisherman would face a new gag quota of 1.2-million pounds in 2008, which would rise slightly in subsequent years as the stock rebuilds.
That's a 45 percent reduction from average yearly landings of 2-million pounds recorded from 1986 though 2005, which matches the council's overall reduction goal.
In 1998, however, commercial gag landings jumped when many of the best fishermen figured out ways to target the highly prized gags. Between 1998 and 2005, gag landings averaged 2.6-million pounds, raising the prospect that the fleet could hit the proposed 1.2-million pound quota by summer and put a halt to all grouper fishing.
To counter that, the proposed rules are designed to ease into a gag-driven shutdown. When 80 percent of the gag quota is landed, commercial boats would have to limit their gag haul on any single trip to no more than 10 percent of their overall grouper catch.
That would give the fleet more time to fill its red grouper quota, which the proposed rules would increase from about 5.3-million pounds to 5.7-million.
Even so, federal biologists estimate that the gag quota will force the fleet to halt all grouper fishing sometime in October, judging by landings recorded in 2004 and 2005. Combined with an existing annual shutdown between Feb. 15 and March 15, that would leave about nine months for commercial grouper fishing and fresh Florida grouper in restaurants.
If the bite falls off dramatically, as it did in 2006 and 2007, it is possible the fleet could continue to bring in grouper all year -- just not much of it.
The restrictions would apply to federal waters, which begin at nine miles offshore. Except during the winter, most gulf grouper are caught on hard bottom, wrecks, reefs and ledges that are at least nine miles out.
The state of Florida, which controls recreational fishing closer to shore, typically matches federal regulations. If the state does not mimic the proposed restrictions, Crabtree said, the federal government would have to compensate by imposing tighter limits in federal waters.
Have an opinion?
The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council will take public comment on grouper from 1:30 to 4:30 today at the Radisson Hotel and Conference Center, 12600 Roosevelt Blvd., St. Petersburg.
[Last modified January 29, 2008, 23:12:07]
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by Jeff
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03/07/08 02:33 PM
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STOP longlining in the Gulf of Mexico! Problem sovled.
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by Robert
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02/24/08 11:31 AM
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Hey if the grouper are in so short a supply, look at the fish kills after katrina with thru and ban any grouper from being sold in at resturants. While you are at it stop dumping your poop in the ocean.
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by Eric
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02/20/08 10:05 AM
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The ocean isn't some big bank that you can just keep making withdrawals from. That is what every commercial fisherman has treated it like for years! "If I don't kill it someone else will", is the justifying line. Congrats you just killed your jobs!
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by Jim
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02/19/08 05:51 PM
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Open your eyes. Everyone with any brains knows were the problem layes,longliners are the problem,bandit boat fishing is the answer. Please open your eyes!
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by jim
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02/16/08 08:10 AM
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I wil not vacation in florida next year. red fish 1 per day, trout and snook close partially during this time. no grouper at all? what can you fish for grunts? sheepshead? big deal, next year mexico will get the $25,000 tourist$ I spend each winter.
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by Jon
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02/10/08 01:33 PM
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many of the recent restrictions affecting snapper and grouper are so severe to recreational anglers that either their data is flawed or they are so inept they have to implement a 80% reduction plan the council should all resign immediately.
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by Andy
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02/02/08 10:47 PM
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This is the stupidest idea ever. Sportsman and charters account for a tiny fraction of the annual harvest and limiting them is just plain stupid. Also, no commercial boat can survive on a 6 month season.
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by Skip
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02/01/08 08:15 PM
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I see plenty of restrictions for Recreational and commercial, all american. I see no mention of increased patroling to protect foreigners from coming in, scooping up the fish, and returning to their native soil.
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by Dave
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02/01/08 08:07 PM
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Half ass, they are doing things that impact a lot of people and $ but not a large postive impact on the fish. Close down methods of fishing that produce the greatest mortality to undersize fish. This has the least $ impact and huge to the fishery
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by John
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02/01/08 04:57 PM
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Looks like the crabtree & group didn't get it. What a bunch of morons! And thanks for the meeting at the Raddison, you couldn't have picked a better location with fewer parking slots. I guess you just didn't want to get overwhelmed by the turn out.
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by jack
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02/01/08 03:42 PM
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Just a suggestion.
What about cutting out longlining and fish traps, both which kill without any record.
This along with OPEC should recover any
overfishing problems shortly.
Please, leave recreational angling
alone.
This is not the problem.
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by tunasteak
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02/01/08 03:05 PM
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How holy are we.
Are we willing to pay 50$ a pound for grouper?
Are we willing not to eat grouper?
the answer is, NO!
Will the price go up. NO
will there be grouper to eat? yes
That god, for NAFTA
All happy, everthing is good.
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by Eric
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02/01/08 09:18 AM
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get rid of the longliners! 80% of the greouper catch they have! how is the Rec & charter boats over fishing? if they had a choice they would catch every last grouper! Send them out past 40 fathoms!
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by Capt Rick
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01/31/08 08:02 PM
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We dive spots after we fish them. From 45' to 80' last saturday we saw 50 to 80 gags that never bit our hooks!
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by Mark
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01/31/08 03:57 PM
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Thats smart. Destroy Floridas second largest industry! Our economy is weak, and they are about to put thousands of us out of work.
Ban the Longliners, they are the problem.
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by T.J.
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01/31/08 01:07 PM
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Maybe new size limits?Maybe!!!!!!!!!!!! But to shut it down just hurts are economy.Key word ECONOMY don't mess with a mans livelyhood!Actully trie to get right!
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by Earl
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01/31/08 12:14 PM
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It's about time! Now they need stop the on shore Grouper Fishing.
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by chef
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01/31/08 08:53 AM
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for those of you that think the grouper stock is in trouble.... go fishing with an expirienced grouper fisherman or woman.they'll change your mind. if you haven't fished in the gulf lately or ever... you only know what you are told !!!just a thought.
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by DAan
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01/31/08 08:21 AM
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I fish A lot in the Tampa bay waters and I've been seeing more grouper now than ever! You people who blame this on "greedy" fisherman have no clue what you are talking about! Neither do the feds! Do your own research!
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by CaptJay
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01/31/08 07:12 AM
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Cutting the Gulf to "1' GAG IS CRAZY.. All I catch is gag, and very few red grouper I fish North of tarpon springs, and red grouper just are not there, and to drop gag to "1" is just not worth spending all that fuel cost, what's next now, snappers???
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by Phil
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01/30/08 11:48 PM
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To all the tourist who are complaining of the fishing restrictions - STAY HOME!!!. If all you want to do is go to Florida and destroy its natural resources then stay home. Keep your money and destroy you own state of residence.
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by Scorps
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01/30/08 10:54 PM
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If the fishery isn't protected tourists won't have anything to fish for. Inshore fishing has improved since the net ban and other conservation actions insuring those tourist dollars remain. Now if we could just ban hotels going condo on the beaches.
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by kdz
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01/30/08 10:40 PM
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why punish the rec fisherman?? They are the ones paying high gas prices and storage fees for their hobbie. AND, the acually eat what they catch. I also agree that this rule will only encourage chinese imports of "grouper" which is not really grouper!
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by Howard
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01/30/08 09:54 PM
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Why can't they just reduce the bag limit for the entire time instead of closing the season? We need some new people in charge of the fishing industry! Reducing the bag limit for recreation fisherman and the tonage for comm fisherman would be great!!!
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by Harold
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01/30/08 07:13 PM
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We the people should decide i think fishermen and women no more about Grouper then the goverment.Every state should be able to vote on regs.Did anyone take note the hotel thier at waste$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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by Harold
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01/30/08 07:07 PM
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What a joke i have been fishing the gulf 37 years for what used to be fun.I still catch a lot of Grouper about the same.I just dont get to keep them.It is real true bull crap.I do not break the law i abide with the regs.It may be time for a change.
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by stacey
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01/30/08 06:55 PM
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I am a FL native and the seas are fished out, anyone that is a sportsfisherman will know this too be true, as for the tourist go home , your dollars wont make a difference here anymore, the whole country is a mess
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by robert
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01/30/08 06:40 PM
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More rules imposed by public servants who got their so called educations at public universitys to mandate moronic rules affecting those whole really work.
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by Richard
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01/30/08 04:49 PM
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I think its a great idea. I am a chef by profession and wheh my childern grow up iI would like them to be able to catch grouper like I have.
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by Kevin
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01/30/08 04:17 PM
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It's about time!
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by reggie
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01/30/08 03:53 PM
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stephan are you ou of your freakin tree
when they say we they mean tourist that come to the fishing capitol of the world and yes we are the fishing capitol. they (tourist) are the ones sending the money in and around our economy.
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by reelslacker
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01/30/08 02:39 PM
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I winter in florida and fish for grouper.I guess Florida does not need my tourist dollar. SAD DAY.
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by Barry
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01/30/08 01:56 PM
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So what with the passing of Amendment 1 and the new grouper rules this should be the death nell of Florida for tourist anglers and snowbirds alike. The people of Florida have really got the Politicians and Officials they deserve!
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by silverman
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01/30/08 12:14 PM
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If there is a bag limit decrease i guarantee you this time next year yoou will be catching so many gags and red grouper it wont even be funny and the grouper population could hit there carrying capacity and wipe a species
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by Virginia
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01/30/08 11:51 AM
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Another way to allow China to dominate the market.Lets boycott all seafood from foreign waters.
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