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Cleaning up Dean's big mess
A Times Editorial
Published February 8, 2008
Howard Dean and the rest of the small-minded party hacks at the Democratic National Committee created this debacle. They are the ones who insisted their petty rules made Florida's presidential primary meaningless. Now it turns out a close race between two quality candidates could make our delegates awfully important in deciding the party's nominee. So it's up to Dean to figure out a reasonable fix for a fiasco he created. One option that would be fundamentally unfair: allocating Florida's delegates based on the Jan. 29 vote to enable Hillary Clinton to win the nomination. That would be like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers deciding after the regular season they wanted to count a win in a preseason game so they could make the playoffs. It was a nice gesture by Clinton to promise - after the state's polls closed and she clearly had won the most delegates - to seat Florida's delegation at the national convention. Barack Obama, whom we recommended in the primary, should do the same. But this is a graceful way to unite the party only if the nomination already is decided and Florida's delegates would not change the outcome. The stupidity of stripping Florida Democrats of all of their delegates because a Republican-controlled Legislature moved up the primary was clear for months. The Republicans worked out a reasonable solution. They cut the number of their Florida delegates in half, and their candidates came here and competed. The Democrats weren't so bright, and Clinton and Obama foolishly boycotted the state. We were among the many voices who argued before the primary election that the national party should have made the primary votes of Florida Democrats count. We begged Clinton and Obama to campaign here. Dean and the candidates refused to listen and treated this state as if it were invisible. So no one can argue with a straight face that the votes the Democrats would not recognize on election day now should decide the Democratic nomination. If the election had counted, Clinton and Obama would have campaigned here. Even more Democrats would have gone to the polls. The outcome might have been different, or the delegate count might have been closer. We will never know. What we do know is Dean and the national party have made a spectacular mess that could affect who becomes the Democratic nominee and who wins the White House in November. They better come up with a fair way to clean it up.
[Last modified February 7, 2008, 22:21:00]
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by CJ
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03/06/08 03:28 PM
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Like someone else said, evil wins over good because good is an idiot. Antagonizing voters in swing states like Michigan and Florida is giving the Republicans wins without a fight.
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by Terry
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03/06/08 10:42 AM
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By your logic, Congress created a "mess" by creating laws against murder, filling up the prisons with killers. The party said all along what would happen and the stupidity was on the part of the state's Republican-led legislature, not Howard Dean.
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by chris
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03/05/08 07:38 AM
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no american should ever be denied their vote,this is made worse when a non elected party boss make this decision. It is the same as innocent man being found guilty
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by Ron
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03/03/08 03:14 PM
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I believe that you can't change the rules in the middle of the game, therefore, the votes shouldn't count.
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by Jack
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02/27/08 03:33 PM
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I think that a lot of Obama supporters are now lying about why they did or did not vote in the Florida Primary. And worse is all of the non-Floridians that claim to read our minds. I voted to have a say. I was sure that our votes WOULD be counted.
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by David
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02/22/08 09:26 PM
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methinks the Republicans believed Hillary would win Florida, so they decided to screw it up so that it wouldn't count. Republicans do not want to face Hillary; they prefer Obama because they believe the Republican spin-machine will tear him apart.
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by RM
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02/11/08 01:41 PM
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How did Howard Dean create this mess? Florida was warned there would be consequences for moving up its primary and ignored the warning. Sounds like the Times should be pointing its finger at the Florida Legislature.
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by Richard
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02/11/08 03:15 AM
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They took away our delegates; Let's take away their funding. Don't contribute to any Democrat's campaign. Local, State, or National.
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by Tim
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02/10/08 07:25 AM
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Howard Dean did not not make this mess. This mess is a creation of the Florida Legislature.
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by John
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02/10/08 07:07 AM
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Who ever wins the Dem nomination is beside the point. Patriotic ("Reagon") Democrats, independents like me and Republicans will put John McCain in the White House in November.
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by Alex
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02/10/08 01:07 AM
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Umm...Marie...this is an internal democratic party matter and has nothing to do with the electoral college--your not knowing that is just one more reason why we still need the college...
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by Tom
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02/09/08 09:51 PM
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How ironic is it that a state of Hillary haters might hand her the nomination, and quite possibly the presidency, out of their own stupidity. Now that would truly be amusing.
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by Jay
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02/09/08 08:08 PM
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C'mon, if Dems try to seat the delegates now after saying ahead of time they wouldn't count, it's lawsuit city by people who rightfully say they would have voted if they'd known they would count. Hillary's a lawyer and knows it. The answer: caucus.
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by Steve
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02/09/08 07:06 PM
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Howard Dean made the right choice. The trend towards a national primary would only benefit the most well funded, best known candidate. We need less money in politics not more money.
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by Maurice
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02/09/08 06:45 PM
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Re-Vote the two states!!! OR Stick to the agreement, don't count the votes...
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by Evan
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02/09/08 06:05 PM
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The FL legislature failed its citizens. They knew the rules. If I were a FL resident my firt move would be to vote in new state legislators.
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by Jim
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02/09/08 05:55 PM
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Clearly the DNC will need to hold a fair primary and/or caucus after a reasonable time for the candidates to campaign in our state. Anything else would be an insult to Florida and an automatic vote for McCain.
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by Dennis
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02/09/08 05:11 PM
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Your Republican Legislature and Governor created this mess. You need to learn and adhere to the rules of the Democratic Party.
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by Charles
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02/09/08 04:42 PM
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It's a good thing Dean wasn't elected President. His decision-making is obviously flawed.
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by mike
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02/09/08 04:27 PM
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This is all Halliburton's fault!
After the fiasco in 2000, I'm suprised the country allows Floridians the right to vote in any national election.
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by Mark
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02/09/08 03:50 PM
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The odd premise of this editorial -- blaming Howard Dean -- is disingenuous. Florida democrats had ample opportunity to organize an alternate way to comply with party rules and have a real campaign. And they still do if they'd only stop complaining.
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by Jon
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02/09/08 02:32 PM
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This has nothing to do with the electoral college. The foundation of the electoral process has nothing to do with political parties and their internal processes. This is a political issue, not a governmental one.
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by Mark
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02/09/08 02:17 PM
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I am puzzled by the first comment from Marie since this controversy has nothing to do with the Electoral College in November. The college is a necessary institution. If you think the 2000 recount drama was bad, just imagine that times 50 states.
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by Dennis
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02/09/08 01:36 PM
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Thank you Florida and the nincompoops who have frothed here. Florida is so incompetent it makes California look normal. LMAO
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by Jose
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02/09/08 01:22 PM
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Give me a break. This was pushed by the Clinton's when they thought they'd run away with it. When Barack became competitive they pushed to scuttle it while preserving their sole ballot access in Michigan...The Clinton Hacks in Miami are to blame
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by neal
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02/09/08 01:17 PM
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There is nothing funnier than seeing the liberals on self-destruct again!
It's 1968 all over again - but will the riots begin before or after their convention?
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by Obama
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02/09/08 12:39 PM
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I couldn't agree more. Election Shmelection. Obama is Lord. Anointeth the Christ Child.
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by sam
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02/09/08 12:23 PM
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Its not Dean's mess, its the FL legislature's mess. Just because Bush is president doesn't mean rules no longer apply. Want the FL delegates seated? Schedule a primary that follows the rules. Othewise sit this one out and follow the rules next time.
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by Andrea
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02/09/08 12:14 PM
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It is fundamentally unfair to seat the Florida delegates, since many people did not come out to vote because they'd been told in advance that this primary didn't count.
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by Tired
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02/09/08 12:08 PM
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I hope that the DNC seats both MI and FL, this in the end will favor the republicans. You have to believe that if only 10% of the Dems that are for OBAMA get pissed that Hilray gets a pass by breaking the rules and stay home, DEMS loose.
Get a grip
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by Mike
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02/09/08 11:58 AM
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Uh, no.
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by Bill
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02/09/08 11:53 AM
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That's exactly right. It's the DNC's fault that you broke the rules and suffered the consequences... in the same way that it's the state legislature's fault that I decided to speed and got a fine. Petulant, entitled children.
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by Gabriel
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02/09/08 11:39 AM
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You can't change the rules midway through the game. Either way, many will stay home and McCain will wil. Maybe Edwards could give his delegates to Obama - this would result is an approx. tie in Fl and lets votes count.
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by Mario
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02/09/08 11:35 AM
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a new rep of FL thought to pull fast one but repub challenged & won. moved date & dems could do nothing to change back. Be mad at real culprit-so fla rep, not dnc
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by debbie
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02/09/08 11:31 AM
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another good reason not to be a small minded liberal.
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