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Darwin critics arrive in force
Evolution foes show up to oppose new science standards.
By Ron Matus, Times Staff Writer
Published February 12, 2008
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Dallas Ellis, a former educator from Marianna, holds up two oranges and mockingly says they may be our relatives under the theory of evolution during a hearing Monday in Orlando.
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[AP photo]
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ORLANDO - Opponents of the state's proposed new science standards turned out in force Monday, encouraging education officials - in the last public hearing before next week's vote - to take a more skeptical view of evolution.
"The state Board of Education will be known as the first to buy the lie that evolution is fact," said Curtis Dalton, a military veteran from the Panhandle town of Graceville.
More than 70 people spoke at the hearing, which itself drew criticism because board members were not present. About 45 speakers were opposed.
The board is scheduled to vote Feb. 19.
The proposed standards say evolution is the "fundamental concept underlying all of biology" and is "supported by multiple forms of scientific evidence" - a position in synch with scores of scientific societies, including the National Academy of Sciences, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association.
Polls, though, suggest the public is split. And the board may be as well.
At last count, two members had indicated support for the standards, two appeared to be leaning against, and the rest were either undecided or unwilling to say.
Monday's hearing was in a hotel conference room at Orlando International Airport. Those who spoke did not break new ground, with both sides repeating arguments uttered by scores of people at four prior public hearings, and in thousands of comments on the Education Department Web site. But the sheer number of speakers - and the fact some were willing to travel 200 miles - spoke to how much the issue has touched a chord.
One man linked Charles Darwin to Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Mao Tse-tung. Another said evolution sanctioned murder. Still another held up an orange and said that because of evolution, he now had irrefutable evidence that an orange was "the first cousin to somebody's pet cat" and "related to human beings."
Other opponents spoke in more measured tones, saying they did not want the inclusion of creationism or intelligent design in science classrooms - just a treatment of evolution that included its holes, gaps and flaws.
"Science is not infallible," said Tampa doctor Elizabeth McVeigh.
"I'm frightened," countered Robert Hankinson of Orlando. "Let the experts in science decide what my kids are taught in science."
In related developments, a coalition of conservative religious groups asked the Board of Education for 15 minutes to make their case at next week's meeting. The board said last week it would not take public input Feb. 19, so board members would have more time to deliberate among themselves.
"They need to see the whites of the eyes of the parents who are affected," said John Stemberger, president and general counsel for the Florida Family Policy Counsel, which supports biblical values.
The groups promised to bombard Gov. Charlie Crist and other state officials with thousands of requests until the board says okay.
Also Monday, 40 members of the committee that drafted the science standards issued a statement affirming their work and declaring, "There is no longer any valid scientific criticism of the theory of evolution."
Buckling to "special interest groups," it continued, "would not only seriously impede the education of our children but also create the image of a backward state, raising the risk of Florida's being snubbed by biotechnology companies and other science-based businesses."
Ron Matus can be reached at matus@sptimes.com or 727 893-8873.
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by JerryT
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02/14/08 11:34 AM
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queman: "short on evidence"
Are you serious?
You are repeating lies you have been told. Question your source and look for yourself. You are being deliberately mislead and should be angry. God gave you the ability to think for yourself - use it.
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by ellie
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02/14/08 05:28 AM
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critical thinking is when you consider the evidence and make a decision. It is not letting a bunch of scientists say we are smarter than you so let us tell you what to think
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by richard
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02/13/08 07:39 PM
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if religionists were to find irrefutable dna evidence that jesus was indeed born of a virgin,do you think they would say"no-separate magesterium -science can have nothing to say about religious claims".of course not.the very idea is laughable.
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by queman
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02/13/08 01:43 PM
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Evol people are so good at calumny but short on evidence. DNA is language, characters selected just so to represent a reality. Language takes a conscious mind. Darwinists can't deal with it, so they phone their ACLU attack dogs and stifle debate.
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by David
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02/13/08 01:16 PM
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Someone should tell Mandy that the famous quote was uttered at The Battle of Bunker Hill, which took place on June 17, 1775
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by JerryT
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02/13/08 01:10 PM
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Google:
"endogenous retrovirus"
The definitive stake in the heart of creationism.
Google:
"wedge document"
Why ID'ers don't want education.
Google: "cdesign proponentsists"
Why we waste our time reasoning with 'moral' christian nationalists.
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by JeanCatholic
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02/13/08 12:41 PM
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The fact that this cult-like bunch have such blatant disregard for science shows that we don't value critical thinking. We need science, philosophy, logic, and comparitive religions to be taught. Be brave, and use the brains the good Lord gave you!
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by Mandy
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02/12/08 07:57 PM
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Someone should tell John Stemberger that textbooks didn't start mentioning not firing until you see the whites of their eyes until after the Civil War. Nice catch phrase, but entirely historically inaccurate. Thank poor curricula for that...wait...
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by Don
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02/12/08 07:41 PM
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Has anyone read the last part of the story? I think the people trying to get ID taught alongside evolution, already have their answer. I think America has had enough of this.
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by Tam
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02/12/08 07:22 PM
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I am so glad my son is a senior this year because if they were teaching creationism in his school I would teach him at home.The guy comparing oranges and cats is frightening.Keep religion out of our schools, and we'll keep teaching out of your church
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by MIDutch
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02/12/08 07:16 PM
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Personally, I hope that creationism gets taught in Florida. The more stupid people there are in America, the more they will have to rely on the scientific expertise of people like my kids who are both in college in Michigan learning REAL science.
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by Jake
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02/12/08 06:05 PM
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God kills no one. Evil people kill. Nature kills, especially when people do not heed the warnings and build lives in fragile areas.I believe in a supreme being, does not mean that we become puppets.I believe that God created and left creation alone
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by chip
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02/12/08 05:49 PM
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Evolution..hmmm...the same theory that says reptiles laid eggs and out pop fully formed birds(punctuated equilibrium), aliens planted life on earth(Panspermia) and yet believing that a divine creator programmed living systems is irrational? sure...
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by jeff
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02/12/08 03:44 PM
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while all of you are writing to a meaningless but amusing blog, they are writing to the governor and attending hearings. i guess it's true...we get the government we deserve. and the band plays on.
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by Davey
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02/12/08 03:38 PM
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Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin. Evolution via natural selection is a theory. A theory in science means it is highly corroborated by experiment. Intelligent design is an opinion by a narrow-minded preacher, i.e., William Paley. It is old invalid news.
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by Paul
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02/12/08 03:22 PM
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This debate really boils down to arguments between those who know little about science and nothing about evolution and those who actually understand the process of science and have at least a working knowledge of evolution.
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by KAtie
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02/12/08 02:51 PM
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Umm Have any of these people who are so anti-evolution actually read Darwin's very lengthy book? My guess is not.
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by Pastafarian
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02/12/08 02:49 PM
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Here is another one. If god created everything they why did he create evil? If god "loves us" why does he kill the innocent? If god already knows everything that will be, then why should you care about anything?
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by Chris
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02/12/08 02:19 PM
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...and speaking of movies. Maybe we could convince the christians to believe in birth control and maybe we could avoid letting our society turn out like in the movie "Idiocracy"
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by Larry
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02/12/08 12:44 PM
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The proposed standards are unfair because they have nothing representing the views of the many people -- probably a majority -- who oppose dogmatic teaching of Darwinism. The board of education should at least add the word "theory" to the standards.
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by Jake
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02/12/08 12:28 PM
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Where did your lightening strike come from? and your saltwater? and your elements that make up saltwater? where does the universe begin? where does it end? why would elements form life on this one planet? riddle me this batman...
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by Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice
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02/12/08 12:24 PM
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Saudi Arabia's religious police have banned red roses ahead of Valentine's Day, forcing couples in the conservative Muslim nation to think of new ways to show their love.
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by Kim
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02/12/08 11:50 AM
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The education of the next generation is one of most important responsibilities. I truly hope the Board of Education deciedes to teach science instead of cowardice.
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by PositivelyCharged
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02/12/08 11:35 AM
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I came from a lightening strike and some saltwater many years ago. My gills are now ears.
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by Jimmy
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02/12/08 11:24 AM
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William: If you believe religion should be taught in school, one can assume you have a specific religion in mind. Should all schools be teaching your religion?
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by Mike
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02/12/08 10:43 AM
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Most accept the theory that the Earth is round ( It is not an observable fact). Yet religion was slow to accept it. Evolution is a theory not fact. However, the supporting evidence is immense. Religions require faith and science uses logic. Right?
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by Jon
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02/12/08 10:35 AM
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William: because only one of those three has any science behind it. Leave creationism to Sunday school.
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by Elena
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02/12/08 10:25 AM
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I don't understand what's wrong with Dr Mcveigh's statement. Science is not infallible. And those who criticize so irrationally have a lot to learn about having an open mind. That means recognizing more than just one group as a problem.
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by Nate
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02/12/08 10:15 AM
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I would say to Ellis, yes that orange is a cousin. You'd have to trace the lineage back to before the chimp and human split, the mammal and reptile, amphibian and fish, chordates, deuterostome, eukaryotes, to when photosynthesis first occured.
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by Bo
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02/12/08 10:11 AM
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School systems should "require" a world religions class in order to graduate. They can discuss the origins of life in a religious view in this class. Leave science class for science. We'd have less ignorance in our society if people were educated.
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by Ed
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02/12/08 09:58 AM
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No teaching of evolution? Old people should not make the decisions for the young. Stupid and ignorsnt not to teach evolution. People should take there kids to another state for a well rounded education AND they will.
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by Dave
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02/12/08 09:56 AM
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Where is "The Earth is Flat" crowd in all of this?
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by Ed
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02/12/08 09:53 AM
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The idea in education and life is to go forward. Are these anti evolution people out of thier minds? It is 2007 not 1927. Next they will say that we did not land on the moon and the holocaust did not happen. No wonder young brains are leaving Florida
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by jeff
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02/12/08 09:51 AM
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Supposedly God made Man in his own image - so then if we are to totally throw out all that Man has learned about his world and science then that means man is incapable of learning and that God must be stupid, too. Wake up, neanderthals!
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by Lizz
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02/12/08 09:19 AM
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As a product of this educational system and a practicing christian, I think that the school system should stick to evolution, the church to creationism and let the kids make up thier minds. That is the way I learned and I am the more educated for it.
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