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Public: Faith trumps science
Proposed teaching standards are at odds with what most Floridians believe.
By Ron Matus and Donna Winchester, Times Staff Writers
Published February 15, 2008
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Florida parents don't have much faith in evolution.
Only 22 percent want public schools to teach an evolution-only curriculum, while 50 percent want only faith-based theories such as creationism or intelligent design, according to a new St. Petersburg Times survey.
"I have a very firm religious background," said Betty Lininger of Lecanto, who is raising her 15-year-old niece and thinks public schools should teach intelligent design but not evolution. "I can't just shove it out the door."
The survey findings stand in stark contrast to the state's proposed new science standards, which describe evolution as the pillar of modern biology and do not include alternative theories.
If the state Board of Education approves them Tuesday, the new standards will guide what Florida students are taught and tested on.
The Times survey - which included questions about evolution and a host of other education issues - was administered to 702 registered voters Feb. 6-10, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
It revealed a huge gulf between scientists and the public.
While the vast majority of scientists consider evolution to be backed by strong evidence, nearly two-thirds of those polled were skeptical.
Twenty-nine percent said evolution is one of several valid theories. Another 16 percent said evolution is not backed up by enough evidence. And 19 percent said evolution is not valid because it is at odds with the Bible.
"It just shows we have a lot of work to do," said Christopher D'Elia, a marine biologist who is an interim vice chancellor at the University of South Florida St. Petersburg.
Fundamentalist Christians, often portrayed as the heart of the antievolution opposition, weren't the only ones who expressed doubt. While only 9 percent of respondents who described themselves as evangelicals or fundamentalists wanted an evolution-only curriculum, the numbers still weren't very high for Protestants overall 16 percent or Catholics (21 percent).
Sue Sams of Spring Hill, a retired English teacher who describes herself as Protestant, said schools should teach creationism only.
"I don't disagree with the theory of evolution," said Sams, 65. "I'm just not sure it's 100 percent right."
Responses such as Sams' fly in the face of endorsements from thousands of scientists and scores of scientific societies, including the National Academy of Sciences and the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
"There is no justification for singling out evolution for special skepticism or critical analysis," wrote Richard T. O'Grady, executive director of the American Institute of Biological Sciences in a Feb. 8 letter to the Board of Education. "Its strength as a scientific theory matches that of the theory of gravitation, atomic theory and the germ theory."
The response from Dennis Baxley, executive director of the Christian Coalition of Florida: "He's in error."
"At one time, the scientific community thought that for good health, you should attach leaches to your body," said Baxley, a former state representative from Ocala. "We're just asking them to leave the door open a little bit" for other evidence to be considered.
Scientists say opponents are grossly distorting the evidence in an effort to fuel skepticism.
But they say a wide range of other factors are at play: Confusion over the term "theory" (which in a scientific context means much more than a hunch); a lack of basic science literacy among much of the public; and a common perception that science and faith are automatically at odds.
"There are many scientists who are religious," D'Elia said. "They know it's a different domain."
The Times survey is just the latest in a long line of polls that found a public divided on evolution. Among other findings:
- 43 percent said human beings evolved over millions of years, while 45 percent said humans were created directly by God.
- 54 percent of men said humans evolved over millions of years compared with 35 percent of women.
- 52 percent of college graduates said humans evolved compared with 33 percent of those with four years of high school or less.
- 31 percent of white respondents said only evolution should be taught in schools compared with 7 percent of nonwhites.
Florida State University professor Michael Ruse said the numbers are not likely to change any time soon. He likened the clash over evolution to the civil rights movement.
"People are going to have to be carried kicking and screaming over the threshold," said Ruse, an authority on the history and philosophy of science. "If we can only get over this hangup about the sciences and evolution, 20, 40, 50 years from now, people are going to be looking back and saying, 'Am I ever glad we don't have to fight that anymore.'"
It's unclear how much public opinion may sway the Board of Education. The board, which is appointed, often has backed unpopular policies - including use of high-stakes testing to grade schools - and often has described its approach as data-driven and evidence-based.
"We don't determine our science by polls," said John Stemberger, president of the Florida Family Policy Council, a group that supports Biblical values. But in this case, the poll results are relevant because "policymakers need to be responsive at some level to parents."
The board may be boxed in by court rulings. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1987 that teaching creationism violates the constitutional separation of church and state. And in 2005, a U.S. district judge in Pennsylvania ruled that intelligent design is a repackaged form of creationism.
Many opponents say they're not pushing faith-based theories, just a less dogmatic approach to evolution.
It's an argument that appeals to Americans' sense of fairness.
Kim Geiss of Safety Harbor said public schools should teach evolution, creationism and intelligent design.
"Until we can say definitely, 100 percent that this is the way it happened, we can't tell our children evolution is the only way," said Geiss, 37, who worked as an engineer before her daughter was born. "We don't know that. I don't think we ever will know that."
Ron Matus can be reached at matus@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8873. Donna Winchester can be reached at winchester@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8413.
Coming Saturday
Floridians offer their opinions of the FCAT, school grades and how they rate their schools and teachers.
[Last modified February 14, 2008, 23:12:57]
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by Lindsey
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02/26/08 02:55 PM
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It is truly very sad to see the belief system that is evolution taking full control over "science". True science shows evolution never has been, isnt, and never will be happening.It also lines up perfectly with the literal word of God(not evolution).
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by rane
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02/23/08 10:25 AM
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Is there an american movement to create a cristain taliban in this county;It's really very sad to see so backward beliefs croping up in this county's higher education.
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by Jim
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02/22/08 09:25 AM
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Creation/evolution is a religious debate. By law our government should be neutral on religion. However, one religion, naturalism, rules with an iron fist. See ben Stein's latest movie, "Expelled."
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by Gar
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02/19/08 03:16 PM
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I grew up Catholic, believing in both God and science. I can only pity those whose belief in God is so weak that they can't see that God created evolution. Think of God as a baker with evolution being an oven.
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by Rob
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02/18/08 03:27 PM
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We live in a dark age, we just don't know it because a small minority produces so much light. To think you could have medicine or biology without understanding the mechanism of evolution shows how much work there is to be done.
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by Margaret
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02/18/08 01:51 PM
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The voucher idea is wrong on an important level. It will 'ghettoize' religious families away from even the potential of those kids developing into scientists. It may be what the parents want, but it's bad for the kids potential long term.
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by Geno
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02/18/08 11:01 AM
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Did anyone thought about the fact that evolution did not have brains nor eyes in the beginning? Therefore how was able thoughtfully create only pair of eyes and brain in a head of all Male & F creatures in thoughtless process consistantly by chance?
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by Joe
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02/17/08 11:42 PM
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i went to a CATHOLIC school and learned EVOLTUION. are floridians really that stupid? i guess the education system allows them to be. creationism is fine in SUNDAY SCHOOL not SCIENCE class.
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by Frank
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02/17/08 10:27 PM
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If you want your child to have a religious education, spend the money and send him to religious school. There are plenty of churches to teach believers about how the world began and they can do a much better job at that than the public schools.
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by Cassie
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02/17/08 09:29 PM
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ID is not science. This was clearly established in the Dover trial, where ID was shown to be a mere relabeling of Creationism. All of its best arguments- such as irreducible complexity- were soundly refuted. This nonsense has no place in our schools.
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by DonC
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02/17/08 08:10 PM
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Notice to the comment editors. I can see that you are completely biased towards the God haters in allowing all their hateful and slanderous comments towards the Godly. You better hope there is no God. Fools, Read Romans Chapter One and see yourself.
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by John
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02/17/08 07:31 PM
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Dude, is the entire state of Florida full of retards? :-o
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by Henry
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02/17/08 12:36 PM
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I'm beginning to think I trust this poll's results about as much as those in New Hampshire. Maybe if we start treating those not believing in evolution only with vaccines that worked in the 1950's, the non-believers would quickly "find religion".
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by Mike
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02/17/08 12:23 PM
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Big surprise Florida has one of the worse levels of education, prior to college, in the entire US. BIG SURPRISE!
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by Tomo
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02/17/08 12:04 PM
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I think Richard Dawkins said raising a child in a religion - any religion - is tantamount to child abuse. At school, only teach them what can be proved not that which claims to need no proof. He's right.
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by Rob
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02/17/08 10:57 AM
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How very sad. The article shows that the vast majority of those surveyed (too small a number) understand neither their own religions (all major denominations accept evolution) nor science.
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by Sad for Florida
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02/17/08 10:48 AM
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Perhaps we should also start teaching a litte more history so that people better understand that "bad" science such as a flat earth came from too much religion interfering with Science.
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by Carol
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02/17/08 07:51 AM
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I don't have enough faith to believe in evolution because it takes a mountain of faith to believe THAT as opposed to the grain of mustard seed faith I need to believe in God. Call me foolish, but I'll take God any day over slime and ooze from nothing
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by Shay
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02/16/08 11:49 PM
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I'm a high school student and I absolutely hate this idea! Kids can learn about ID on their own time, there's no need to teach that in a SCIENCE CLASS. This, "prayer circles" & "christian clubs" sicken me. There is no separation of church & state...
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by Scott
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02/16/08 08:11 PM
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Is it stupid and wrong? Then it must be Florida.
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by Rob
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02/16/08 07:28 PM
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I want to see the Flying Spaghetti Monster creation theory given equal time in science classrooms AND churches. Let's all dress up as pirates!
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by SPOT
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02/16/08 06:40 PM
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Let them teach creationism alongside evolution. The science will outweigh the faith and the kids will realize how absolutely insane creationism is. The creationist argument will not stand up to the last 200 years of scientific discovery. Obama Rocks!
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by Kaye
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02/16/08 05:09 PM
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Since when does it make sense for the public to determine the curriculum rather than the science educators? If parents object, let them take their little darlings out of the public schools and dumb them down at home!
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by Jon
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02/16/08 04:46 PM
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Steve is closest to the point. Good luck competing in scientific fields without accepting evolution. That's why vouchers are the answer. Diversity and selection in education (just like with nature) will best prepare our children for adulthood.
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by Jon
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02/16/08 04:40 PM
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With no choice in schools people place the pressure on school boards and you get these evolution/creationism arguements. Give vouchers and this would go away and you could send your child to learn about evolution if you want to.
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by Jon
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02/16/08 04:36 PM
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A voucher system where parents could determine which school could best educate their children would eliminate this problem. People could choose schools which taught as they believe and we could let colleges/employers select which children to select.
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by Joanne
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02/16/08 03:34 PM
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that biological systems like food chains and systems in our body were designed and not evolved. The reason so many more col.grads agree w/ evolution is because they've been brainwashed longer than HS grads!
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by MB
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02/16/08 03:23 PM
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I wonder, what's wrong with starting any curriculum with, "we don't really know where humans came from". Bicker all you want to, accepting any theory is just assumption.
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by Mike
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02/16/08 12:40 PM
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I suspect that by the end of this century that scientists will admit that Evolutionism is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated in the name of science. Worse than the flat earth. I read the evidence too--and it argues for an Intelligent Designer.
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by Kim
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02/16/08 11:10 AM
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I shouldn't be, but I am shocked that in this century there are so many people who still refuse to accept science. I think religion has done more harm than good over the years. And I am yet again reminded why I would never live in Florida.
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by Mel
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02/16/08 09:56 AM
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This county will stay great if we don't allow a majority to force it's religous beliefs on the minority. Not teaching religion in public schools does not take anything away from anyone. Each can still get teaching from thier own faith privately.
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by Laura
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02/16/08 09:31 AM
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haha! Sue, the Bible does not say that God came to earth and had sex with women. You have been misinformed. Please tell me what book chapter and verse this comes from if it is there.
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by Marty
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02/16/08 07:57 AM
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Unbelievable. These people want to put an idea with absolutely no evidence (god created humans) on the same footing as evolution which has mounds of evidence backing it up. The willful ignorance of some religious people is frightening.
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by Barry
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02/16/08 07:53 AM
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Do these idiots realize that they are not preparing there children for college? In college biology there is only evolution taught. No wonder so many kids have to take remedial classes when they get to college cause public schools haven't prepped them
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by farscape
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02/16/08 07:48 AM
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I think we all should not worry about evolution and who created the world what we should really worry is our children education, no matter what we all die and must our souls return to God,and he will return sooner than we all think.
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