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In home foreclosure, if it's not nailed down ...

Twenty percent of owners strip houses before banks take them back.

By James Thorner, Times Staff Writer
Published February 19, 2008


Mike Burgur says his landlady, a Realtor, entered his Clearwater Beach condo and stripped the place, taking the refrigerator and other items before the bank foreclosed on it.
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Not even switch plates and outlet covers were safe, Burgur says of his landlady's ransacking of his condo.

Mike Burgur returned from work last month to interrupt a break-in at his rented Clearwater Beach condominium.

The intruders were stripping fans off the ceiling and the knobs off the doors. They had carted out the refrigerator and yanked up a toilet. They'd even pulled the plates off electrical outlets and unscrewed the faucet handles.

As he stepped around the broken eggs and jelly jars on the kitchen floor, Burgur had no trouble recognizing the culprit: It was his own landlady.

"I'm going to strip this mother," the 70-ish property owner raved to Burgur, as she ripped apart the 950-square-foot unit on Island Way.

Welcome to a dark corner of the foreclosure business: People who lose their homes to foreclosure and in a pique of revenge strip the homes before the bank takes them back.

Local experts estimate such borderline looting occurs in roughly 20 percent of bank repossessions. But foreclosures are such an explosive growth industry in the Tampa Bay area - hundreds of properties enter the mortgage default pipeline each month - that home stripping affects scores of properties.

"She even took my shower rod and coffee pot," Burgur said of his landlady, who hadn't paid her mortgage in full for more than a year before the bank seized the $300,000 condo in January.

The law is a bit foggy on the difference between personal property that is portable and real property that is not. Is the stained glass window you installed in the bathroom your personal property or does it stay with the house? The same goes for built-in book shelves, curtain rods and your grandmother's antique chandelier.

"That's like saying that when a bank takes back your car, you'll go back and take the speakers out of it," said Miami-based banking expert Ken Thomas. "The house was never yours. You had a mortgage on it."

But there's no denying that many strip jobs are deliberately destructive. Witness this single-story beige stucco house in St. Petersburg's Northeast Park neighborhood. The old owner bought the house near the peak of the market in 2005 for $152,800 and couldn't make the payments.

Neighbors were shocked last month when, as the bank zeroed in on the house, the former owner leased a Bobcat excavator and uprooted the wooden privacy fence and five palm trees. Postholes still litter the yard.

That wasn't the end of it. The ex-owner dismantled and removed the garage door and the double French doors in the rear, leaving the home exposed to the elements. A piece of plywood now covers the gap in the back.

"They're mad at the property when they should be mad at themselves," said Jerry Sigler, an agent specializing in bank-repossessed homes with St. Petersburg's Realty Executives.

Sigler will have to pick through the rubble of the Clearwater Beach condo for Fifth Third Bank. The former owner actually broke in twice, the second time in an unsuccessful attempt to pry loose the kitchen's granite counters and the bathroom's travertine tile.

Banks sometimes file hazard insurance claims to cover the damage, particularly if a missing air conditioner or hot water heater has left the place uninhabitable. The more expensive the repair, the more likely the bank and insurer will hound the former owner, Sigler said. Usually the homes are sold "as is" and discounted accordingly.

In his 17 years selling repossessed homes for banks, Sigler has seen horrors far worse than missing medicine cabinets. Think human excrement spread over walls. Or half-starved Doberman pinschers left as a welcoming committee for the bank's representative.

"They hadn't eaten for a week and thought I was dinner," Sigler said.

Neighbors often end up suffering the most. Renters like Burgur are out of a home. Nearby homeowners worry about squatters enticed by the missing doors.

"You're hurting the values of the neighbors next door. You're hurting the whole community," Thomas said.

Burgur said his landlady stashed the pilfered fixtures in a storage unit across town. The bank has yet to press its claim. Deprived of lights and appliances, his head knocking against dangling wires, Burgur cleared out of the condo.

His former landlady has missed payments on other properties so he expects the stripping and ripping to continue across Clearwater Beach.

"I moved to a three-bedroom condo in Tampa," he said. "Hopefully the new landlord is better at making his mortgage payments."

James Thorner can be reached at thorner@sptimes.com or 813 226-3313.Read his (Un)Real Estate blog at blogs.tampabay.com/realestate.

[Last modified February 18, 2008, 23:13:40]


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by Steve 03/04/08 09:09 PM
If your job has been outsourced over and over, and you make less than 1/2 of what you did in the 90's because of foreign labor rates, and inflation has forced cost of living to double since the mid 90's, what is a guy to do? It is my granite counter?
by Durst 02/23/08 07:16 PM
This is why you should never buy a foreclosed home. It may look like a great deal, but it never is. You can never tell how bad the house is until after the deal. Then it's too late.
by adam 02/23/08 01:21 PM
Rob says "Hopefully this will never happen again in FL" Are you kidding me?? Thousands of foreclosures happening each month and you think this is an isolated event? Dream on buddy. Do yourself a favor and move out of the future slums of America.
by David 02/23/08 03:08 AM
perhaps this is why our colonial fathers initially allowed only the "landed" gentry, the "ownership class" to vote....It appears that Americans of average character and intellect are incapable of considering the impact of their actions on others.
by Sally 02/22/08 12:41 AM
SQUATTERS is what they are they had no money, no credit and the landlady was kind enough to put electric in her name these are outrageous lies all lies they are the ones who destroyed everything after the move was over very milicious on their part!
by DebtToIncome 02/21/08 11:11 PM
I don't agree with the behavior but I can why people loose their cool. As for Fifth Third Bank "go pound sand". The mortgage officer didn't care that the person would have difficulty paying the mortgage but lent them the money anyway.
by Rhonda 02/21/08 07:25 PM
I have a question, what if the foreclosed property is on land that you purchased separately . Can you remove the house?
by John 02/21/08 07:15 PM
Most of you will lose your homes.
by rf 02/21/08 05:45 PM
Sorry Keith, but Dan is right. Unless specified in the contract, appliances, curtain rods, etc are your personal property; and you should be able to take them. Borrowers getting in over their heads; and greed is the root of the credit crunch.
by Okay 02/21/08 05:14 PM
It is against the law for a Landlord to take personal property or destroy the premises....so long as the lease is current. This sad excuse of a Realtor should have her license revoked and criminal charges filed against her.
by john 02/21/08 10:40 AM
If the banks would file with the POLICE instead of with the insurance company, then this would stop. To vandalize a house is CRIMINAL. FILE on them banks, and STOP this practice!!
by Keith 02/21/08 07:54 AM
Dan, are you insane? If you sell a home, unless stated in the contract you have to leave the appliances. That's what contracts are for.
by Glen 02/21/08 02:58 AM
I suspect the coffee pot belongs to the tenent, so since she took that the tenant has a claim against her for theft. Needless to say if I was the tenant I'd be going after her regardless of what the bank or cops do/can or don't can't do! 0_0
by Construction Dude 02/20/08 11:25 PM
When I had my cabinet biz, I wouldn't even return a call to a Realtor, too many want everything for free or don't want to pay. Even in the worst of times I wouldn't bid or try to et biz from them. Screw ya everytime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by chris 02/20/08 08:47 PM
What happened is people bought expensive homes, with intrest only loans since they did not make enough money, then they bought two new overpriced cars or trucks and everything added up & guess what, your screwed. next time live within your means
by Joe 02/20/08 04:50 PM
Thats realy sad.The realtors I have known were so greedy. They dressed nice and were polite but the biggest crooks. I wouldn't want harm to come to them but so long they received easy sales without effort and now they have to work but don't know how
by Dan 02/20/08 01:28 PM
Appliances don't always stay with a house even when it's sold under normal circumstances. Some people take fridges, etc. If you paid for those separately from mortgage, they should be yours. I paid Home Depot cash for my appliances, I'd take them.
by Jo 02/20/08 11:35 AM
This landlord collected rent and never paid the mortgage? what repurcussions do the tenants have when they are forced to leave and not get deposits back etc. Did he charge her with theft for taking his property?
by Joe 02/20/08 11:16 AM
dylan People are given a payment amount that they must pay every month. If upon seeing this amount and wondering if they can afford it, but continue to make the purchase, I would think it would be the purchaser's fault. Lenders provide opportunity
by Mike 02/20/08 11:04 AM
The rule of thumb was that once you attach something to the walls it becomes part of the structure.
by Kathy 02/20/08 10:25 AM
She's a realtor, and she didn't realize how much house she could comfortably afford BEFORE buying? Let's hope she's no longer advising others in the real estate business.
by RE Broker 02/20/08 09:47 AM
I showed a 2 yr bank owned home,over 2200sq ft under air. The entire kitchen, counters, cabinets, shelves in every closet, water pump, treatment system, air condition in & out, water heater, toilet in master, taken. Bank continues to refuse offers.
by Rob 02/20/08 08:38 AM
Thats what we get for the greed of the 21st century!Hopefully this will never happen again in fl.
by Rodger 02/20/08 07:50 AM
As a fellow Realtor, I think her license should be reviewed. However, we are also victims. The Banks and especially Brokerage houses made it too easy to borrow money. They make bonuses while we and the public have to clean up the mess of their greed.
by Paul 02/20/08 05:55 AM
Dennis: I would have to disagree. When you buy a house, you generally get the appliances with it. If you bought the house with appliances, then the bank owns those, too, until you've paid off your loans. Now if you have the old fridge to put back...
by Dennis 02/19/08 08:50 PM
I don't blame people losing their home for taking anything that is not 'installed', but the line is drawn when you start destroying. Refrigerator, take it, built in dishwasher, maybe(2 screws), tearing off a granite counter, too far.
by Tom 02/19/08 05:56 PM
These people should be in jail. I think it's telling that his landlady is a Realtor. They don't get enough blame in this mess. I hope they are feeling the pain now. Especially the Realtor/investors out there.
by ms 02/19/08 03:27 PM
Your never a homeowner in the state of Florida, property taxes will always keep you in debt to some city and the state, even after you pay off your house.
by Lisa 02/19/08 03:24 PM
how can dylan say thank the greedy lenders ect.? Just because the bnk says you can afford something does not make it so you know what you can afford. Gambled and lost. You cant blame others for poor decisions. What did this landlady do w/rent$?
by Jen 02/19/08 01:10 PM
Well, that explains alot about. In a way the banks deserve the mess they made, credit reports often reflect the personality flaws. Unfortunately, we all suffer as usual from the mistakes of the greedy and ignorant. It's not only FL but everywhere.
by dylan 02/19/08 01:00 PM
Thank the greedy lending companies, real estate agents, and investors for this mess.
by Tuma 02/19/08 12:23 PM
Why rip the place apart? Yo never owned the place as the guy says. Infact, if you are paying mortgage you are not a "homeowner". When will people get this?
by Joseph 02/19/08 10:37 AM
More FL fools. Why doesn't law enforcement prosecute these people who trash the home that is foreclosed. I hope these people that did this have to live under a bridge.
by Haven 02/19/08 09:50 AM
Removing property is seedy. But anyone who leaves behind starving animals is a disgusting creep who should be charged with animal abandonment and abuse. I urge banks and law enf.to charge those who do this reprehensible deed to be prosecuted fully!!
by Jerry 02/19/08 09:45 AM
People seem to have less morales everyday. It doesn't make a bit of sense! Go figure.
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