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Rays park hearing draws a full house
The stadium's financing, potential for jobs were on the minds of more than 200 people.
By Aaron Sharockman, Times Staff Writer
Published February 22, 2008
Supporters and opponents of the Tampa Bay Rays' proposal to build a waterfront stadium at Al Lang Field in downtown St. Petersburg listen to speakers during Thursday's hearing at St. Petersburg City Hall.
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ST. PETERSBURG - Opponents and supporters unleashed their first impressions of the Tampa Bay Rays' $1-billion stadium and redevelopment plan to the City Council on Thursday, during a sometimes fiery and sometimes light-hearted debate that is likely only to intensify.
At least 200 people converged on City Hall for the first of three public hearings to discuss the Rays' complicated downtown megadevelopment.
Proponents came dressed in white.
Opponents wore red.
The hearing took on all the drama of an all-out election fight, and the meeting dragged well into the night.
Rays officials provided free white T-shirts and buttons to their supporters, including many local union tradesmen working on the new All Children's Hospital in St. Petersburg.
Opponents, who came in different shades of red, argued that the T-shirt giveaway may violate state election laws.
The groups jockeyed for position in speaking order and even for seats in the council chamber. The first speaker, Caesar Civitella, was at City Hall shortly after 1 p.m. for the 6:30 p.m. meeting.
"When the Rays decided to move (their spring training) to Port Charlotte, they turned their back on the city of St. Petersburg," said Civitella, when he finally got his say.
Rays president Matt Silverman and a handful of team officials and supporters spent the night tucked into one of the city's first-floor meeting rooms. Opponents waited in another meeting room next door.
The size of the turnout was expected. The parity among the groups may have been a surprise.
Among the speakers to the council, opponents outnumbered supporters more than 2-to-1. Many lived in Bayfront Tower, a condominium across the street from Al Lang Field.
But nearly 100 local union workers stood on the steps of City Hall in support of the Rays.
Robert Beann, a 49-year-old St. Petersburg plumber, addressed the City Council for the first time in his life on Thursday. With worn-through jeans and an unshaven face, Beann stood at the microphone and asked council members to support the project.
"I don't live on Beach Drive," he said. "I make my living doing construction. If you build the park, you put people to work. I'm worried about feeding my family."
Council members listened to the speakers, but said little themselves. The council will be asked in June whether or not to schedule a citywide referendum.
Mayor Rick Baker, who has been noticeably absent from the stadium discussion, did not attend Thursday's hearing. Baker said earlier in the day that he had a scheduling conflict.
Opponents attacked several aspects of the plan, from the secrecy of the negotiations between the city and the team last year, to the environmental and traffic impacts of a new stadium at Al Lang Field. They also questioned the proposed financing plan, which relies heavily on the development of the publicly owned Tropicana Field site.
"I don't like being taken advantage of by the team's owners," said Robert Bedford, a city resident and professor at the University of South Florida. "This proposal is all about the Rays' owner increasing the value of their franchise."
The last speaker, number 109, brought up the finances again. Community activist Karl Nurse wanted the city to be sure it got the best possible deal.
"We can't afford to guess wrong on this," Nurse said.
With that, the crowd thinned, the cleaning crews retook the halls and life went back to normal at City Hall.
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The next public hearings on the Rays' redevelopment plans are scheduled for April 10 and May 22.
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by Steve
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03/11/08 12:43 PM
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Most of the naysayers came from one condo. People don't seem opposed to building condos. This will be a wonderful stadium and will really make this a major league town. Property values will increase as proven in other major league cities. GO RAYS!!!
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by Steve
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03/08/08 04:39 PM
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Round Won/Two: POWW 2 Rays 0
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by Jordan
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02/29/08 09:24 PM
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Maybe Floridians just don't care about baseball, in which case I'm sure there are several cities that would jump on the chance to bring MLB to their city, which is exactly what will happen if this stadium doesn't get approved.
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by Jordan
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02/29/08 09:21 PM
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competing in the next couple of years, and a new stadium would give ownership the financial means to achieve this. Winning isn't cheap, and ownership won't be able to spend the necessary money if the Rays remain last in attendance.
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by Jordan
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02/29/08 09:12 PM
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Have any of you actually read the details of the proposal? The Rays aren't asking for any taxpayer funding. The deal will be financed mostly by the development of the Trop site. This is a good young Rays team ready to start competing in the next
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by Justin E
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02/23/08 02:45 PM
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Seems the new angle the Rays are putting out there is that a city without parking problems is a city without a future. Well, we don't have parking problems right now, so thanks for the insult.
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by You See the Future?
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02/23/08 08:03 AM
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Joe, to quote Yogi Berra: "Itò019s difficult to make predictions, especially about the future." Would love to borrow your crystal ball sometime though! And thanks for having so much faith in the ability of St Pete residents to deal with that situation
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by Debbie
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02/23/08 12:42 AM
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Joe- 10 years? Do you think Beach Dr. cares about 10 years from today?
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by Joe
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02/22/08 07:44 PM
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Vote this down and in 10 years both the Trop AND Al Lang will be vacant. How many tax dollars will they generate then? And it won't be the "Orlando Rays" or the "Tampa Rays." It'll be the "Carolina Rays." But parking in St. Pete wont be a problem
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by Sherry
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02/22/08 05:40 PM
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OMG!Please STOP comparing California to here!Wake up! Look around! This is the FURTHEST thing from anything out west! One of the business owners on Beach dr said she wanted to turn Beach Dr into another Rodeo Dr..hahahaha!!That was a joke, right?
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by Aaron
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02/22/08 05:30 PM
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How is it that we going to fit 10,000 cars on Beach Dr or 1st st. s. when the games let out each day and/or night???Anyone out there thought of that? It's called LOGISTICS!!! Badplan!Badpolitics! badidea!
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by Dennis
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02/22/08 01:19 PM
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Mario has a point, Wrigley field has zero parking spaces and is in the middle of a neighborhood which would have no draw to anyone if the Cubs were not there. The people next door to the stadium would likely see huge value increases in their propert
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by Downtown Res.
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02/22/08 12:06 PM
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I for one was a strong anti-stadium advocate until I started doing my own research and looked at Denver, Arizona, San Diego - they had the same concerns we do. They built their stadiums and it was AWESOME for their downtowns. Same can happen here.
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by Gilbert
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02/22/08 11:41 AM
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Why are we even thinking about supporting a decision to spend millions of taxpayer dollars on LOSERS? Win something FIRST, then comeback and ask. I compare this to "throwing good money after bad money". Put the money into the schools.
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by JM
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02/22/08 11:37 AM
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I don't have anything against the stadium.But i feel the owners of the team should pay for it not the taxpayers.Let them cut back on player salaries to pay for it.The salaries are outragious.
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by Justin E
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02/22/08 11:35 AM
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The Times is doing a good job of portraying opponents as crusty old elitists. I'm a regular young, happy family man and I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS SCHEME!
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by White on Red
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02/22/08 11:34 AM
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Jack, how many people spoke for and how many people spoke against? Build that monstrosity elsewhere using your own money, that's what people are screaming!
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by We See You
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02/22/08 11:32 AM
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The Rays are paying people to post comments here.
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by mlm
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02/22/08 11:29 AM
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Dear St. Pete,
If you don't want the Rays, I know someone who does.
Love,
Hillsborough County, home of two of the most beautiful and profitable sports facilities in America
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by pv ray
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02/22/08 11:25 AM
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Out with the old and in with new! Thats what the future holds for the city of St. Pete. Baseball downtown is a win win anyway we look at it. The old people can complain all they want, they pay the lowest taxes and contribute the least. Lets get real!
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by Steve
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02/22/08 10:07 AM
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Round Won/One: POWW 1 Rays 0
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by Mario
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02/22/08 09:17 AM
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Lots of people are compaining about parking, but be careful what you wish for. A city with parking problems is a city with a future. There are plenty of parking spaces in Flint, Michigan. Wan't to move there? Didn't think so.
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by Rich
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02/22/08 09:16 AM
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Why is the mayor allowed to sit on the sidelines on this? We need to know his position.
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by Jack
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02/22/08 09:13 AM
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I went to the hearing last night, and supporters (white) outnumbered opponents (red) at least 5 to 1. Looks like this city is sick of the same crusty old Beach Drive residents blocking every effort at progress for this city.
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by Penny
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02/22/08 08:56 AM
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Al Lang has been a baseball field forever...enough said. No conos please
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by Penny
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02/22/08 08:54 AM
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I can't beleive anyone would even give it a second thought. St. Pete has been baseball and the way this city has gone we are down to one team, no spring training. We need them far more than they need this City. Al Lang has been a baseball field
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by Scot
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02/22/08 08:23 AM
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If the rays build a new stadium it better be a dome stadium,it is too warm in fl for outside ballgames in the summer and with the rainy afternoons there in the area alot of games would be cancelled or not start on time.
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by Tom
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02/22/08 07:02 AM
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This debate will continue ad nauseum, but, at the end of the day, the golden rule will prevail. The beople with the gold will make the rules. Just watch. The stadium will be built.
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by jime
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02/22/08 06:56 AM
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Get rid of major league baseball alltogether; bring back our st pete cardunals at al lang stadium!
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