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Tax swap plan moves up
Services tax won't make it to the voters, but other changes could.
By Steve Bousquet, Tallahassee Bureau Chief
Published February 26, 2008
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Former state Republican Senate president John McKay said excluding services from the sales tax benefits special interests at the expense of other taxpayers.
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Patricia Levesque supports property tax relief but opposes taxing services.
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TALLAHASSEE - Florida voters could decide in November on a huge property tax break, but they'd also have to agree to a higher sales tax rate and the elimination of some sales tax exemptions.
But one thing voters won't be asked to approve as part of the tax swap plan: a highly controversial sales tax on professional services, such as lawyers, accountants and hairdressers.
In the most significant vote yet for the Taxation and Budget Reform Commission, a committee of the commission backed the retooled tax swap Monday on a vote of 11-0, giving it a surge of momentum as it heads to the full commission for the final vote. Support of at least 17 of the commission's 25 members is needed to put the plan on the November ballot.
Under the plan, which would require 60 percent voter approval, the Legislature would have to wipe out $8-billion a year in mandated property taxes for public schools by 2011. School taxes account for about 27 percent of property taxes statewide.
The ballot measure would also require lawmakers to recover the $8-billion from various sources, including increasing the 6 percent statewide sales tax by up to a penny, cutting spending, and eliminating up to $4-billion in sales tax exemptions for items such as aircraft parts, boiler fuels, bottled water, charter fishing boats, electricity used in manufacturing and livestock feed.
But the plan would also allow lawmakers to reduce their requirement through an accounting sleight-of-hand: They could dedicate any increased tax revenue attributed to economic growth against the $8-billion requirement.
Monday's vote capped weeks of deliberation by the Finance and Taxation Committee, which agreed on cutting taxes, but not on whether to resort to a services tax. Some said the Legislature may take the tax swap as a green light to make drastic cuts in spending.
"If you want the Legislature to modernize the tax system, then you can't give them an out by letting them cut the budget," said commission member John McKay, a Bradenton real estate broker and former state Republican Senate president who has long argued that the state's tax base is insufficient. He said excluding services from the sales tax benefits special interests at the expense of other taxpayers.
It was his original tax plan - to apply a services tax and reduce sales tax exemptions in exchange for cutting school taxes - that was amended Monday on a 6-5 vote.
The retooled tax swap was sponsored by Patricia Levesque, a small business owner and director of former Gov. Jeb Bush's educational foundation, who supports property tax relief but opposes taxing services.
Powerful forces that had lobbied against the services tax were out in force Monday. They testified that taxing services would burden small businesses, be difficult to collect, would tax business inputs and damage Florida's competitive standing with other states that don't tax services.
Susan Story, CEO of Gulf Power in Pensacola and the committee's chairwoman, said 90 percent of Florida businesses have 20 or fewer employees.
"I think more small businesses will fail with a services tax," Story said. "That is why I am scared of a services tax."
McKay said opponents undermined his plan with fear-mongering and "disinformation."
Before the panel voted, two economists offered vastly different assessments of the effect of a services tax. Hank Fishkind, hired by McKay, called the school property tax "a bad tax - a state property tax in disguise" - and said that eliminating it would spur economic growth.
Tony Villamil and Robert Cruz, of the Washington Economics Group, said taxing services would mean higher prices for services; and that an estimated $650-million of the property tax break would flow to people who are not Florida residents.
Besides Levesque and Story, committee members who opposed taxing services were Publix executive Barney Barnett; Circuit Judge Bruce Kyle, a former Republican legislator from Fort Myers; Randy Miller, a lobbyist for the Florida Retail Federation; and Brian Yablonski, a St. Joe Co. executive.
Voting with McKay were lawyer-lobbyist Martha Barnett, telecommunications executive Julia Johnson, lawyer Jim Scott and Lee County Property Appraiser Ken Wilkinson.
Florida's lone experience with a services tax was a political disaster. The 1987 Legislature enacted an across-the-board tax that it repealed eight months later after an uproar. In its place, lawmakers increased the statewide sales tax from 5 cents to 6 cents.
"A services tax is not a good economic idea," said Gene Adams of the Coalition to Protect Florida's Economy, a group representing nearly two dozen professions.
The taxation commission, set up in the state Constitution, meets every 20 years to recommend budget and tax changes for Florida.
Steve Bousquet can be reached at bousquet@sptimes.com or 850 224-7263.
What's next:
The full 25-member tax panel will vote on the proposed tax swap, probably in March. Support from 17 of 25 members is needed to place it on the Nov. 4 ballot. Sixty-percent of voters would have to approve the measure for it to take effect.
By the numbers:
A tax swap proposal before Taxation & Budget Reform Commission could require the Legislature to find $8-billion a year in revenue to make up for the elimination of school property taxes. Here's where the money could come from:
- Up to 1 cent sales tax increase: $3.9-billion
- Elimination of sales tax exemptions: $4-billion
- Additional spending reductions: Unknown
- Increased revenue from economic growth: Unknown
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by Bland
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02/27/08 12:49 PM
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What is the overall affect to those SOH property holders? Will the 3% max increase apply only to the categories now excluding school district taxes or overall? If overall, this could be an increase in total taxes. The devil is in the details.
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by John
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02/26/08 11:38 PM
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I really like this idea and will support it. Add in a government spending cap and this may be finally something everyone likes. Put it on the ballot and let the voters decide.
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by Tony
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02/26/08 06:02 PM
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St Pete Times - list those exempt expenses and then write the number of legislators - we'll call them and let them know exactly what to do.
btw Gus Bilirakis is co sponsor of the Fair Tax ... wtf is he thinking?
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by Julio
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02/26/08 04:50 PM
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Reduce sales tax, implement State Income tax for those that earn over 40k, eliminate all tax exemption, reduce goverment salaries over 80k, politicians, governors, mayors, city and county commissioners, they are overpaid already and not worth one dim
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by kitty
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02/26/08 03:32 PM
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Jimbo, a state income tax would spark a mass exodus from Florida like nothing you've ever seen. Workers here are already grossly underpaid and it costs a fortune to live here. Taxing workers will only ensure they move elsewhere.
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by Sandra
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02/26/08 02:59 PM
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Patty---if you fire the people who are "double-dipping" you won't save $300 million. The state would just have to hire other people to take their place.
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by Earl
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02/26/08 02:15 PM
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Sales tax on my next haircut would not send me over the state line to get one.
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by vivky
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02/26/08 01:52 PM
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Abolish Property Taxes completely, thus making this the number one state to live and work in. You would created thousands of jobs overnight re-charge the housing market and bring back all the people who are leaving. This is a great opportunity.
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by Debbie
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02/26/08 12:57 PM
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I totally support it. And tax some of those services too. This attempt to scare everyone is ridiculous. And yes, internet sales should be taxed as well. Property taxes need to be reined in!!!!
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by Curt
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02/26/08 12:44 PM
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Tax swap? It sounds to me like a tax increase to me. The lack of state income tax may be the root of the problem. Most states in the country have an income tax system and they don't have to look for sneaky ways of collecting tax revenue.
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by Sal
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02/26/08 12:44 PM
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I'm for this. The sales tax exemptions are at the taxpayer's expense and should be eliminated. Many small FL business already pay sales tax include one man shops selling on e-bay. It is only a slight burden and is fair.
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by Tawanda
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02/26/08 11:31 AM
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Hey! Its a great year for the governor to give the Rays a $60 million subsidy on the backs of the state taxpayers!
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by jackie
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02/26/08 11:31 AM
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This is good. You can tax services and do fine. They do it in states such as Wa., acceptable and they also have a higher sales tax, no save your homes and no state tax, much fairer system then Fl.
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by MARC
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02/26/08 11:16 AM
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FANTASTIC IDEA. I'M ALL FOR IT!
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by Steve
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02/26/08 10:19 AM
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Cut the budget by (4) billion & eliminate the sales tax exemptions,(4) billion. Do not ever consider a sales tax on services which would place another burden on my small business. Besides my Florida clients benefit by not paying this tax. Good!
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by ABC
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02/26/08 10:17 AM
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Another joke of a shell game. They're already going to raise gas taxes to make up for amendment 1's passage. Does anyone really think that we'll ever get a real tax break?? I'd rather pay property tax--I can deduct that from my federal return.
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by Steve
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02/26/08 10:08 AM
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Wasn't 25% the amt promised on ins. reform? We got increases and are on the hook for more risk. If this passes and we end up with a higher sales tax and the 25% cut doesn't happen just like with ins. NO PROPERTY TAX ON HOMESTEAD.TAX spcl interest.
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by Patty
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02/26/08 10:08 AM
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Fix that double dipping loophole and - wow - 300 MIL a year back in the budget. What an awesome idea. Who has the guts to do that? This should be a no brainer to all those law makers who TRULY want to "fix" the system!
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by Jimbo
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02/26/08 10:05 AM
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I would rather see the property tax eliminated altogether and replaced with an income tax. That way when income goes down your tax goes down.
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by roger
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02/26/08 09:55 AM
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JR where do i sign up? Could not agree more.
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by Ronnie
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02/26/08 09:37 AM
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McKay says don't give the option of letting them cut the budget. Thank god he is not in the legislature now. Note to McKay, THEY NEED TO CUT THE BUDGET!
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by Pam
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02/26/08 09:31 AM
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Excuse me but in Naples, 51% of my property tax is for schools-not 27%. How far behind are we in the nation? And you want to depend on the State to fix that?
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by Mike
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02/26/08 09:29 AM
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It's an old Tallahassee proverb: Don't tax you and don't tax me, tax the man behind the tree.
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by Sarah
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02/26/08 09:08 AM
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I'm with JR on this one. By eliminating property taxes completely, one would TRULY own their home when the mortgage was paid off. Now, even if you own your home you can lose it for nonpayment of back taxes. That's not right after paying for 30 years!
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by Larry
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02/26/08 08:43 AM
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Try reading Florida Statute 212, especially 212.05 and 212.08. All sales are taxable unless specifically exempted.
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by Pete
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02/26/08 08:39 AM
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Oh great now we will go from 7% to 8% all because everyone wanted that Penny for pinellas That means gas and everything else will go up and tourists will stop coming many folks will move and the poor and seniors will become poorer live in FL= RICH
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by jon
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02/26/08 08:34 AM
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I'm all for eliminating all property taxes and uping sales tax. So long as I pay property tax I never truly own my home.
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by s
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02/26/08 08:25 AM
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A decrease in property tax will spur economic growth? Not if I'm taxed more on purchases. But I can still get my hair done! Fl is so backwards.
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by Sandra
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02/26/08 08:14 AM
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Thank goodness.
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by Sam
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02/26/08 08:11 AM
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Great idea that will hit tourists the most. Others, with time to wait for items, will simply continue to purchase out of state by internet, and pay no sales tax at all! Half of our purchases now are sales tax free, so no big deal.
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by Ken
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02/26/08 07:55 AM
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Well of course we can't tax lawyers - THEY MAKE THE LAWS. Our fault as voters. We keep on voting lawyers into office to line their own pockets, both in and out of office.
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by Mikey
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02/26/08 07:43 AM
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I SUPPORT THIS ON FACE VALUE....IS THERE A HIDDEN NEGATIVE IMPACT....THOSE OF US WHO HAVE NEVER SENT KIDS TO SCHOOL SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY SCHOOL TAXES..AT LEAST IT IS A START
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by ForLaw
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02/26/08 07:37 AM
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Thank God common sense prevailed in eliminating the services tax. Now that many services can be provided remotely from outside Florida, local service providers would have lost customers.
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by JR
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02/26/08 06:20 AM
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I totally support this, although I'd prefer to see a 3-4 cent increase and property taxes eliminated.
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by Tom
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02/26/08 04:37 AM
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The legislature thinks all sales are taxable unless otherwise exempt. Think about that for awhile.
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