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It's still early innings
The best course is to continue to gather input and facts on a waterfront stadium.
By Rick Baker, St. Petersburg mayor
Published March 3, 2008
We are in the midst of a long community discussion about the Tampa Bay Rays' proposal to construct a major league stadium on the site of historic Al Lang Field. There will continue to be opportunities for residents to learn about the proposal and express their views. The Rays and the city have held public meetings, and we will hold more. If a referendum is scheduled, the ultimate decision will rest with St. Petersburg voters. Al Lang is on the waterfront, and any long-term use of the property for a new stadium will require a majority vote. While the stadium proposal is not the only significant issue our city is discussing, it is certainly an important one and warrants a deliberate and thoughtful review by me, City Council, business and community leaders and residents. Many on both sides of the issue have urged the council members and me to support their position immediately, and I understand and respect their passion for the issue and for St. Petersburg. I share their passion for our city. But I believe the best approach is to gather and evaluate as much information as we can before making a recommendation to our community. This information is equally important to our citizens in their deliberations. Among the important items which we do not yet have are the financial details of the proposal and the specifics of the uses proposed for the Tropicana Field site. Will the mix at the Trop site provide such things as new and unique retail, parks, hotels, work force-level housing and an expanded job base? In a time of state revenue reductions, the present city budget has no room for increased funding of the baseball enterprise. It also is important to review the impact the new stadium would have on our beautiful and vibrant downtown waterfront. The city is conducting a traffic and parking study to determine the potential impact of the traffic from 81 home games on places such as BayWalk, the Progress Energy Center for the Arts' Mahaffey Theater, the new Salvador Dali Museum and the waterfront residential towers. We also must consider the importance of our many downtown events, the largest being the Honda Grand Prix of St. Petersburg. We certainly do not want to jeopardize the success we have achieved in St. Petersburg's historic renaissance. After receiving a final proposal from the Rays, completing an evaluation and considering community input, I will recommend to the City Council whether to schedule a referendum. Baseball is important to St. Petersburg. Our attachment to the game began when the St. Petersburg Saints took on the Cincinnati Reds in 1908, and it has continued through decades of spring training featuring many major league teams. It culminated in a 20-year effort to obtain a major league franchise, an achievement and asset of which only 30 of America's 20,000 cities can boast. From Babe Ruth to Scott Kazmir, most baseball legends have been part of our city's rich history with the national pastime. I believe we have an ownership group that is genuine in its desire to develop its franchise and be part of our community. The owners have recently invested millions of dollars of their money to improve the Trop, reached out to fans in many new ways, taken steps to develop a quality baseball product and demonstrated their commitment to our charities and community groups. All of these efforts do not mean we should embrace the new stadium proposal if we ultimately decide it is not right for St. Petersburg. But they do mean we should give their ideas a fair review. I consider it a positive statement that our ownership group thinks highly enough about our city that they would invest substantial time and money to develop a proposal for us to consider. I hope the team's leadership will listen to concerns from residents that they hear at their presentations and take steps to mitigate those concerns as they develop their final proposal. I also hope the ownership will take steps to more closely identify the team with the city, which has also invested time, land, heart and money into the franchise. It is true that the Rays are the team for most of Florida, but certainly St. Petersburg has played a special role in its evolution. My commitment is to gather as much information as I can on this proposal and make my recommendation to our citizens based upon what I feel is best for our collective future. If the proposal continues to move forward, its fate will be decided by all of us at election time. Should we reach that point I am confident in the wisdom of the voters in deciding our future, whichever way the vote goes. Rick Baker is the mayor of St. Petersburg.
[Last modified March 3, 2008, 06:22:18]
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by Buddy
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03/09/08 08:08 PM
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Baseball in the city, by the water. Don't get no better then that!!!
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by Mark
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03/09/08 07:12 PM
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Let's get this new stadium built! It will be beautiful. This will also generate tremendous revenue for St. Pete. It will also open the doors for a very nice retail shopping area by the Trop. There's no shopping here and Tyrone mall is very run down.
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by Jimmy
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03/08/08 06:35 PM
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The mayor has already tacitly condoned the stadium. He allowed the city staff to secretly do groundwork without informing the citizens. Who represents the people? Let the Rays sue if they feel their stadium is justified. Mayor, please protect us.
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by Sandie
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03/08/08 07:48 AM
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I think the Rays should explore an alternative site to Al Lang Field - I think if they want to hit balls into the bay they should explore Gandy Blvd. past the Dog Track. This site would have good roads for the traffic and access to both bridges.
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by Jim
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03/07/08 03:38 PM
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#2: Before announcing this visionary proposal, should the Rays NOT had contacted a developer to give an estimate so everyone could argue about the "value" of the trop site? The mistruths and venom from people before the facts are in amaze me
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by Jim
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03/07/08 03:35 PM
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Check your facts Kathleen #1: The Rays did not breach a parking contract with the city. They wrote a check to the city based off 2005 receipts both in 2006 and 2007, at their expense.
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by Justin E
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03/07/08 03:21 PM
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Awesome idea, get-smart. I have a better one, lets turn all of St Pete into the world's largest baseball stadium and invite all baseball teams around the world to play all their games here! Who needs a town when you have baseball?
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by Get-Smart
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03/07/08 02:04 PM
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I have a solution. Build the new stadium. Keep the old Trop. Play Home Games in the new stadium and Away Games in the Trop. 100% baseball 100% of the time.
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by Justin E
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03/07/08 11:36 AM
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Michael, couldn't agree with you more. I want that area to keep baseball, just not this huge stadium that looks like 10 pounds of baseball in a five pound sack.
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by Justin E
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03/07/08 11:35 AM
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Joe, great logic, you'd make a good used car salesman. By the way, if the city doesn't own Al Lang, someone should tell the Rays to stop paying rent. Or do I "own" my apartment?
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by Posts not showing
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03/07/08 10:28 AM
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Are we done with this one, St Pete Times? You really need to fix your system for posting comments since your lag time kills spirited discussion.
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by Brent
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03/07/08 09:51 AM
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Justin E...you do understand that the site of the new ballpark is a ballpark now. What public land will we be losing? We will be gaining park space at the redevelopment site so there will be more green space now than before
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by Brent
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03/07/08 09:51 AM
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Justin E...you do understand that the site of the new ballpark is a ballpark now. What public land will we be losing? We will be gaining park space at the redevelopment site so there will be more green space now than before
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by Brent
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03/07/08 09:51 AM
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Justin E...you do understand that the site of the new ballpark is a ballpark now. What public land will we be losing? We will be gaining park space at the redevelopment site so there will be more green space now than before
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by Paul
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03/07/08 09:20 AM
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Why waterfront? With all the vacant area the Trop has and the tons of vacancies on Central Ave, etc. why not there? Downtown is doing just fine. Cramming a stadium in, and a 320 ft pole will be UGLY! Our city is beautiful, lets not trash it up.
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by Justin E
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03/07/08 08:51 AM
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Joe, excellent car salesman logic! By the way, if Al Lang hasn't been owned by the city, why has the city been collecting rent? Also, Michael, I agree, lets keep Al Lang so one of our local colleges can play ball there.
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by Kathleen
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03/07/08 07:57 AM
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No one should "trust" the new ownership group. They announced "free parking" in breach of the contract with the City. They dropped the Dome Logo that had the City's name. Before the City has selected a developer, the Rays state Hines is the one.
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by Kris
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03/06/08 10:36 PM
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Justin--Hundreds of cities have events all over this country every day -- NONE of them "rope off" parking spots in advance. Spots unavailable the night before? You're just makin up stuff now. I mean, have you ever even visited a real city?
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by Justin E
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03/06/08 09:05 PM
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If it's good to develop some of it it's better to develop all of it? Nice logic, kind of like what the car salesman said to me the other day. By the way, all of the land around the Trop is public land, that's what we'd lose (do you read?)
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by Michael
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03/06/08 05:34 PM
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Baseball has been on the waterfront for almost 100 years. We already have vast beautiful parks in downtown St. Petersburg. Baseball belongs on waterfront at the Al Lang site, it has always been there.
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by Joe
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03/06/08 11:33 AM
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If it's good to develop part of the Trop site,why isn't it better to develop all of it? And what public land are we losing? Al Lang field? It hasn't "belonged" to the city since it leased the site to Mr. Lang to build a ballpark nearly 100 years ago.
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by Justin E
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03/06/08 09:32 AM
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Kris, the city will have to rope off public parking before games to accommodate for all the cars. That will mean hundreds of downtown spots will be inaccessible sometimes even the night before a game and the morning of. Are you really that naive?
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by Justin E
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03/06/08 09:29 AM
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So your argument is that because sprawl is also a problem, destruction of marine habitat is no big deal? Excellent logic! Or perhaps you really don't think environmental degradation continues to be a real problem for Florida...
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by Justin E
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03/06/08 09:21 AM
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Fools gold. Why not redevelop part of the Trop parking lot to bring in some of the revenue you're talking about without losing all of that public land?
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by Joe
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03/05/08 03:11 PM
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Woes? How bout the budget crunch. A development on the Trop site would bring in $$$ for schools, etc. (the proposed TIF financing would only use new CITY tax revenues on the site to pay for the new park; the county would see millions in new tax revs)
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by Joe
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03/05/08 03:05 PM
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Justin:I AM from FLA.Our woes?We have some, but I don't think running out of bay is one of them. How about suburban sprawl? Getting rid of that sea of empty lots around the Trop and building a ballpark downtown plus a walkable mixed-use on Trop helps
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by Kris
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03/05/08 02:59 PM
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Also, Paul, what leads you to believe it will "screw up" non-baseball events? There would be only 82 home games a year and they last for just a few hours, usually at night. Seriously doubt it would impact other (predominantly daytime) events.
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by Kris
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03/05/08 02:49 PM
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Paul: see my 03/04/08 09:35 PM to Pat. They ARE using the Trop. The question is for HOW LONG? It's unrealistic to think the Trop is usable for more than 5-10 more years. So if it must be replaced eventually, better start planning for it now.
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by Paul
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03/05/08 09:38 AM
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The potential noise issue is not about maintaining quietness. Its disrupting the already 186 yearly outdoor events that occur downtown. My point, a stadium will screw up non-baseball events. We already have the Trop. USE IT.
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by Justin E
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03/05/08 09:19 AM
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Tom, look at research by Robert Baade or Matt Brown or James Rees. You can point to one or two cities where the impact has been marginally positive, but by and large the only positive impact is for the owners themselves.
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by Justin Elza
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03/05/08 09:15 AM
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Joe, your attitude toward Florida's natural beauty is consistent with those who have caused our woes to begin with. What's one acre here, one acre there, one manatee here, one there, etc, etc. Let me guess, you're not from Florida originally...
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by Justin Elza
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03/05/08 09:13 AM
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Tom and Joe, do your research. The majority of studies indicate zero positive impact. Hey, if you don't care about our environment, nothing I can do to change your mind on that one. Hope you get everything you deserve in life and that this helps.
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by Kris
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03/04/08 09:35 PM
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Pat:Ok, you want the Rays to stay. How long do you expect them to play in the Trop? Forever? It's a terrible venue, and it's costing em millions every year just to maintain. When CAN they move? 5 years? 10 years? 20? It takes yrs to plan and build.
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by Kris
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03/04/08 09:30 PM
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Pat: You mean OUR city-owned waterfront land that has been leased out to one baseball team or another for the last 80 years straight? Yeah, wouldn't want to lose that land to a, um, . . . ballpark.
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by Kris
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03/04/08 09:26 PM
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Pat:The new ballpark wouldn't be ready til 2012--the Trop would be just a couple years from being paid off by then, only 30 mil of so left. Alot to me and you, sure, but not to the Rays or a developer considering the metrics of the deal they plan
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