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Tampa Bay lawmakers push to ensure flag-flying rights
Two Tampa Bay lawmakers want to ensure the right to fly Old Glory at home.
By David DeCamp, Times Staff Writer
Published March 6, 2008
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Joe Bell stands in front of the flagpole at his home in Lake Talia in Land O'Lakes. Bell's neighborhood management company wants him to take the flagpole down, citing community rules banning yard ornaments and flag displays.
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1st Lt. Geoff Grant put up a flagpole in his parents' back yard to honor his grandfathers' service.
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TALLAHASSEE - Joe Bell of Land O'Lakes wants to keep Old Glory flying in his front yard - and at least two Florida lawmakers are more than happy to help him.
In the latest effort to protect flag-flying Floridians, two Tampa Bay area lawmakers want to give every homeowner the right to fly the U.S. flag and a flag of a military branch on a free-standing pole.
Bell is among those whom the measure would protect. He erected a 20-foot flagpole in his yard, only to have his neighborhood management company order it taken down last year, citing community rules banning yard ornaments and flag displays.
Irked by that decision - and seeing the flag flapping away at the neighborhood's model home - Bell balked.
"My father and grandfather didn't fight in Korea or World War II for a lawn ornament," said Bell, 46.
But Bell wasn't the impetus for the legislation. Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey, unveiled the Senate version of the bill SB 1378 in January after a New Port Richey area family was ordered to take down a lighted flag on a 16-foot pole built by their Marine son.
Fasano's co-sponsor in the House is Rep. Peter Nehr, R-Tarpon Springs, a flag shop owner. Nehr's version of the bill (HB 857) passed its first of two committees on Wednesday.
Nehr said his business creates no conflict for him; he said he's selling the Tarpon Springs shop in a few months. But neighborhoods increasingly have rules that hold back people's patriotism by displaying the flag, he said.
Florida law currently protects "portable flags," but allows neighborhood restrictions against flags on permanent posts. Under the proposed bills, a flagpole must be no taller than 20 feet, and the flag can be no larger than 41/2 feet by 6 feet .
"We don't want people to put a stick in the ground," Nehr said.
Army 1st Lt. Geoff Grant put up the flagpole in his parents' back yard to honor his grandfathers' service. Then the neighborhood property management company ordered it down because it violated community restrictions.
"That flag is staying because I think of him every time I look at it," Susan Grant said of her son, who will leave for Iraq on Saturday.
The neighborhood relented on the Grants' flag, but not Fasano, who has a history of star-spangled legislation. He made headlines in 2004 when he successfully pushed a law requiring the flag to be displayed in classrooms. A year earlier, he sponsored another law giving condo owners the right to fly the flag on patriotic holidays.
Fasano has another bill this year requiring Florida and local government agencies to buy only American-produced U.S. or state flags (SB 852).
Sen. Burt Saunders, R-Naples, has filed yet another bill (SB 90): No local government could pass a law stopping the flag from being flown in a "respectful way."
If anyone needed a clue, the bill is called the "Florida Flies the Flag Act."
David DeCamp can be reached at ddecamp@sptimes.com or (850) 224-7263.
[Last modified March 5, 2008, 22:42:53]
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by Diana
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03/11/08 11:53 AM
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When is a flag considered an ornament?
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by diana
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03/11/08 11:51 AM
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I am 57 years old and feel like I am living in a foreign country. When do we stand up for the things this country was founded on? Honor and respect to our country and flag is a joke? Don;t like it leave - I'll pay your way.
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by Mac
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03/10/08 01:03 PM
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Am I the only one who noticed when it comes to flag rights and supporting our vets, the only lawmakers who step up to bat for them are Republicans?
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by Stephanie
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03/10/08 09:22 AM
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In this "free" country of ours, why is it that this gentleman, who wanted to display ONLY the most world-wide known symbol of the United States, (in HIS own U.S. soil backyard) still has to create a civil war of his own to keep it?
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by Ben
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03/09/08 01:45 PM
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My heritage goes back on both sides of my family to the War for Independence. My Dad(WWII), brother(Vietnam) & other relatives fought in every major war to maintain the freedom to fly Old Glory!!
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by Alice
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03/09/08 12:44 PM
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I had to work and could not be home for the interview. I would like to respond that we DID read our deed restrictions and no mention of a flagpole not being allowed.As an American we should automatically have that right, just as our freedom of speech
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by Bob
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03/08/08 10:29 PM
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Go Joe,My father was in War War II then living the rest of his life in a Veterans Hospital for ten years before his death,Let them tell me I can't fly my flag!! Live proud or somewhere else.
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by Keith
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03/08/08 01:14 PM
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I am sure that when anyone moves into a neighborhood that has certain rules & regs, they plan on following them. But to all who have forgotten why we proudly fly our flag, GO LIVE IN ANOTHER COUNTRY. This is our FLAG, our SYMBOL, our RIGHT.YOU MOVE
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by Ben
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03/08/08 07:00 AM
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This is great I hope will always have the right to honor our country by flying our flag.
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by Karin your neighbour
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03/07/08 07:06 PM
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Most Americans do not know how privileged they are to be American Citizens. Most Americans take for granted the freedoms we all enjoy in this country. I grew up in a country where we had NO freedom. Fly your flag, Joe. Be PROUD of what it stands for!
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by Florence
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03/07/08 04:45 PM
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Good for Joe Bell! I hope he wins and it spreads nation wide! Home owners associations are getting too powerful!
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by Carole
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03/07/08 04:16 PM
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We have the Amcrican Flag in our front yard all year. We are proud of our country and of our fathers and brothers who gave their lives, for us to have this privilage.
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by ron
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03/06/08 05:46 PM
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There have beem millions who fought for the right to fly this great flag. Lets not let a few destroy what they died for. keep fighting I have your back!!
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by Joe
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03/06/08 05:08 PM
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This is for Sam...If you don't like the American Flag, PLEASE LEAVE...The only reason you can even state your opinion is because of the men and women whom have given the ultimate sacrifice for this symbol of freedom.Deed resrictions are for the pigs.
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by Willy
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03/06/08 04:50 PM
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We are drowning in tax and insurance woes and the Tallahassee butt heads burn energy on this witless, self serving political propaganda. Let these people move to communities that allow this excessive display and leave the ones that protect against it
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by Penelope
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03/06/08 02:44 PM
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People should check to see if they are living in deed restricted areas or one governed by rules and regulations before moving there. I can understand a height restriction on flag displays but a complete ban on them is over the top.
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by Paul
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03/06/08 12:28 PM
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Sometimes these Deed-Restricted communities go too far. I think most of their coucil members have nothing better to do other than nit-picking on their fellow residents about enforcing the "rules". Sorry, Federal Law overrides any local rules!
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by Joef
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03/06/08 10:49 AM
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I believe that every home should be required to display an American flag on all National holidays. Veterans nor any citizen should never be punished for having an American flay. These HOA commandoes just tic us all off.
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by Kay
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03/06/08 10:31 AM
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Things are bad when you have to pass a law to allow people to fly their nation's flag AND pass a law to require government bodies to purchase only U.S. made flags.
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by Ira
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03/06/08 09:58 AM
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Nice to see the legislature showing its patriotism by wasting even more of our time! Wouldn't it be a little more patriotic to enable hard working Americans to stay in their homes by lowering their property taxes. But then again I'm just a Democrat.
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by Rick
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03/06/08 09:39 AM
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It's not the Flag, it's the size and placement of the stupid pole!! I have no problem with a nice flag & pole attached to front of home, but we don't need a bunch of tall metal flag poles stuck up in our neighborhoods!
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by Ken
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03/06/08 09:31 AM
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Be sure to let all voters know of ANY legislators opposed to this.
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by ADP
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03/06/08 09:21 AM
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When you live in a Gestapo run neighborhoods this is what you have to deal with.I have no idea why anyone would want to live in neighborhood like that!
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by Sam
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03/06/08 09:03 AM
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Another example of the rules being fine as long as they apply to my neighbor, not me. These people agreed to the restrictions when they bought into the neighborhood. If you donò019t like the rules, buy somewhere else. Lawmakers should butt out.
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by Paul
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03/06/08 08:46 AM
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The law will be an outrageous violation of the first amendment. Just wait until someone sues to have the right to fly the flag of some other nation, or the peace symbol. The courts will have to allow them.
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by jes
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03/06/08 08:36 AM
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You're right Lothar - all us Dems want to do is fly the Hammer and sickle - the flag John Kerry fought against (while W & Cheney sat it out). Get a life.
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by Rob
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03/06/08 07:09 AM
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I didn't serve in the U.S. Army to have someone tell me that I can't fly a Flag that symbolizes our great nation.
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by Lothar
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03/06/08 06:43 AM
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I don't see any Democrats jumping in to help. What's the deal on that?
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by RE
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03/06/08 05:16 AM
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I simply cannot understand how displaying our national flag could be an issue. It is my believe that a Natonal symbol overides any ridiculous neighborhood restrictions. I can assure anyone that MY flag will continue to fly in MY yard.
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