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Politics

Democratic revote may be by mail

Florida may yet put its stamp on this year's Democratic convention.

By Wes Allison, Times Staff Writer
Published March 7, 2008


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WASHINGTON - Forget the notion of Florida Democrats packing schools and fire halls for an Iowa-style caucus, or lining up at their local precincts to choose between Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama.

If Florida Democrats take one more shot at making their voices heard in this tick-tight race for the Democratic presidential nomination, the most likely scenario will be balloting by mail.

With Obama and Clinton nearly tied in the race for delegates, and with opportunities dwindling for either to pull away before the convention in August, pressure is building for Florida and Michigan to take a mulligan.

Both states lost their delegates for holding primary elections earlier than Democratic Party rules allowed. Thursday, U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, Florida's senior elected Democrat, reversed course and called for a new primary election.

He also demanded that the Democratic National Committee pay for it, even though DNC chairman Howard Dean has said no.

"With two outstanding candidates battling so closely for their party's nomination, there's no way you can tell nearly 2-million Florida voters they don't count," said Nelson, the de facto head of the state party,

Nelson supports Clinton, who won the January primaries in Florida and Michigan, and he has argued that Clinton should get to count the delegates she would have won. That's anathema to Obama, since none of the Democrats campaigned there.

In seeking a new primary, Nelson said, "We can't go on and ignore two of the largest and most important states."

Michigan Democrats are considering a primary or caucus. But Florida Democrats contend a caucus would be too exclusive and potentially confusing. The state party has ruled it out, spokesman Mark Bubriski said Thursday.

The state party also has essentially ruled out holding another traditional primary election. It may cost up to $25-million, and the Republican-led Legislature would have to approve it by next week to meet the 90-day preparation period required by state law, Bubriski said.

Republican Gov. Charlie Crist said he would sign the bill, but he and House Speaker Marco Rubio have made clear the state won't pay for it.

And despite Nelson's insistence that the DNC foot the bill, it had less than $3-million in the bank at the start of the year.

"We can't afford to do that," Dean said Thursday on CBS's The Early Show. "That's not our problem. We need our money to win the presidential race."

Meanwhile, 15 Florida counties - serving half the state's 10-million voters - are replacing their touch-screen machines to comply with a new state law requiring paper ballots.

Some of those counties, including Pinellas, may not have the new optical scan machines ready in time for a second Democratic primary, which DNC rules say must be held by June 10.

Plus, many counties have elections in the next couple months.

"It's not working for me," said Kathy Dent, elections chief in Sarasota County and president of the state Association of Supervisors of Elections. "We would be looking at a train wreck."

That leaves election by mail. Though foreign to Florida, the system is used in several states, most notably Oregon. Florida Democrats began drafting a plan to hold a vote-by-mail election last year, when they were considering ways to comply with party rules.

If state Democratic leaders now choose that route, the party would likely set an election date in May or June and send ballots to each of the state's 4-million registered Democrats at least 10 to 14 days beforehand.

"It's the only option we have," said state House Democratic leader Dan Gelber of Miami Beach.

"A caucus is not inclusive enough, a primary is way too expensive and probably impossible to do, and a nominating convention won't work."

A spokesman for Nelson said the senator favors a traditional primary, but his statement Thursday didn't rule out an election by mail. His staff is researching that alternative and is talking to officials from Oregon.

Oregon began mail-in balloting for all elections 10 years ago. Concerns about fraud and voter coercion proved largely unfounded, and surveys by the University of Oregon have shown 80 percent of voters prefer it.

The state also enjoys higher-than-average voter turnout. Priscilla Southwell, a political scientist at the University of Oregon and leading expert in voting by mail, said that's especially true for special elections when only one race or issue is on the ballot, as Florida's would be.

Because the vote-by-mail primary would be conducted by the Democratic Party, not the state, the plan would not need the Legislature's approval.

But even if Nelson and other Florida Democratic leaders decide it's a good idea, it's not automatic. Any plan must be submitted to the DNC and, after a 30-day public comment period, approved by the party's Rules and Bylaws Committee.

Ballots must be printed and shipped to military and other absentee Democrats in time for them to respond.

And, of course, the Democrats must find funding.

"We're still trying to gauge how realistic this is, if there's any money at all, and if there's any energy out there," Bubriski said. "There's still a lot to be figured out, and it may take awhile."

Last summer, the Florida party estimated a mail-in election would draw about 1-million voters and cost $4-million to $5-million. But postage and other costs have risen, as has interest.

Party officials say they now would expect as many as 3-million Florida Democrats to participate, at a cost of up to $6-million.

Gelber and others said they hope a variety of sources would contribute, including the DNC, private donors and the Obama and Clinton campaigns.

"It's the only option out there, and frankly it's pretty darn good," Gelber said.

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the Illinois senator would support any fair remedy that meets DNC rules. He's opposed only to allowing the Jan. 29 primary to count.

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said that the primary should count and that it's too early to begin considering alternatives.

But, he added, "We certainly believe that given how well we did in those states, that were there to be a primary, we would have a good opportunity to do well again."

Times staff writers Adam C. Smith and Will Van Sant and researcher Melissa August contributed to this report. Wes Allison can be reached at wallison@sptimes.com or (202) 463-0577.

[Last modified March 7, 2008, 00:48:02]


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by Edwin 03/09/08 11:22 PM
This is not a states rights issue. The DNC is protected by the 1st Amendment Freedom of Assembly right to decide its own rules. The Florida Republican majority does not write the rules of the DNC, Democrats do. The Florida Legislature should pay.
by Anthony 03/09/08 06:30 PM
If Hillary wants to have her special interest groups BUY her new elections to save her now pathetic campaign then she should be forced to allow the elections to be in caucus form. Sorry Hillary, but you can't BUY your cake and eat it too.
by Edwin 03/08/08 10:54 PM
Small state politics does not require the millions of dollars to be competitive, as Huckabee proved in Iowa. Large states do because your principal communication channel to votes are tv ads. Therefore, small state primaries are more democratic.
by Edwin 03/08/08 10:36 PM
Senator Nelson helped put the Democratic Party in a position where they are unfairly made to seem like they do not care about two of the most populous states in the nation just before one of the most important elections in our history. Resign please.
by Wanda 03/08/08 02:06 PM
I like the mail-in vote run by the FDP and not the State/County. If we are looking at less than $10M in total cost, perhaps Clinton and Obama can help to foot the bill?
by Ben 03/07/08 11:52 PM
The reason Hillary's name was the only one on Michigan's ballot was she was the only one with the GUTS to take the hits from Iowa and NH. Too bad so sad, Obama.
by Terrence 03/07/08 11:51 PM
Hey Obamaniacs -- you're not getting a caucus in OUR state just so your weak candidate can take advantage of the least democratic process.
by Merle 03/07/08 11:47 PM
Obama was the only candidate who ran ads in Florida (against his pledge) and he STILL lost. He's a crybaby who wants do overs until he wins, which will be never here.
by Joe 03/07/08 11:46 PM
if there is a revote it has to be done fair and done at the polls. there is too much fraud that can occur with mail in ballots. remember we are dealing with the clintons in this election. they will "find" a way to win.
by Holly 03/07/08 11:45 PM
We voted. We have the right as a state NOT to cowtow to Iowa and NH. It makes me sick that Howard Dean is threatening to disenfranchise Florida voters for DARING not to bow to the early states. THANK YOU GOVERNOR CHARLIE CRIST for standing up.
by Rickster 03/07/08 06:35 PM
To those who say everything was even, we were told our delegate votes would not count. Don't you think that had a dampening effect on the polls? In all other states Ds are outshowing Rs 2 to 1. In Florida it was 1 to 1. It was not a fair election.
by Rickster 03/07/08 05:53 PM
What about online? Enter your name and info from your voter ID, and pick your choice. I could write the program in a day. Its not that hard. Gift cards work in a similar fashion. enter the code, get the balance. I know, it's too easy....
by G.J. 03/07/08 05:35 PM
Florida has the right to hold its election at any time it wants just like Iowa & South Carolina. We chose January 29th. The election was fair. Live with it. If the DNC & RNC decides to disenfranchise its voters, they will face the consequences in Nov
by Tom D 03/07/08 04:35 PM
If the DNC is now reversing it 's stupid exclusion of votes because of DNC rules ( what? rules in politics)why not just count the votes from January. Everything was even . Both had their names on the ballot and noone campaigned here. Too simple ?
by 03/07/08 04:10 PM
It is fair. We voted. Everyone was on the ballot. Obama even campaiged here! Almost 2 million of us stood in line and voted. The vote should stand as it did at 7:pm 1/29. If BO had won that's what he'd be kicking for, rest assured.
by kevin 03/07/08 03:54 PM
Having read some the absurd comments here it is plainly clear it's not the democratic party or it's traditional role as protector of the regular citizen. It's the idiots who think they know politics and call names to others who do know what is real.
by voter 03/07/08 02:30 PM
How in the hell can you people say "we voted lets use the ones we have" that's not fair just because that witch won both states does not mean she will do it again. don't count the votes why change now? i voted and i don't care if that it wont count
by cm 03/07/08 02:27 PM
I'm responding to Mickey's comment first of all with a name like Mickey you have your nerve calling someone out of their name. I don't think the votes should count, I expected this, our Govt is so underhanded it's sad. I voted to. GO OBAMA!!
by BECKY 03/07/08 01:27 PM
Surely not by MAIL! Did you read the Michigan news about the mailman who had undelivered mail in his home dated back to 2002! Don't trust the mail! have a primary and go vote....and no chads.
by Anne 03/07/08 01:17 PM
Florida should not pay for a recount. We voted already. Let the results stand.
by CP 03/07/08 01:16 PM
Vote by mail is the only option that will work. The legislature does not have to approve and it will not cost as much as a primary. Go Obama!
by Tru Dem 03/07/08 01:10 PM
I will vote McCain if Hillary is the candidate. Michigan's ballot didn't even have anyone else's name on it other than Hillarys! Now that is a fair election, at least FL had all of their names on the ballot. Michigan is the bigger loser! New primary!
by A Concerned Voter 03/07/08 12:42 PM
How outrageous! The DNC needs to buck it up & simply acknowledge it's Florida & Michigan members - this makes me reconsider being a "Democrat", again ..... HOW OUTRAGEOUS!!!! Should we all take our toys & go home when we don't get our way?
by mcd 03/07/08 12:22 PM
Wes writes: "With Obama and Clinton nearly tied in the race for delegates." This is simply untrue. I expect better from Times reporters. Clinton will have to win 60% of the remaining delegates (incl. Texas & Ohio) just to tie. That isn't close.
by fl voter 03/07/08 12:11 PM
Folks, it was the GOP lawmakers and governor that broke the rules. They created and signed into law the Jan primary date. Having a re-do would open pandora's box. There would be a re-vote for every election. Think about it!!
by Huffy 03/07/08 11:54 AM
Democrats for McCain! Vote for the only candidate who thinks our vote is important.
by mia 03/07/08 11:14 AM
This is not about what Hillary wants its about what we as florida voters want and we want our votes to be counted it is not our fault that our "lawmakers" in this state are complete idiots! were the voters asked for the current "rules"? Noooooo!
by Mickey 03/07/08 11:05 AM
All you Obamagroupies are afraid of a re-vote because you know what will happen -- Hillary will win. As she should, if you want a president rather than a messianic guru who will be turned into hamburger by the Washington power brokers.
by tim 03/07/08 10:59 AM
And to think, Hollywood and the media are calling this cat-fight on a train wreck "The Dream Team" ticket.
by Mary 03/07/08 10:57 AM
I would like to see either Dem in office, and I am Rep., but Fl messed up, either use the the first primary votes or accept the fact that we don't count. Whining and revisiting the vote would not be right and will once again taint Florida.
by Rick 03/07/08 10:48 AM
The standing vote should count. There was no disadvantage for either candidate. With the numerous debates and overexposure, the citizens who got involved in voting certainly had enough information to make their choices. Michigan, now that's a do over
by Roger 03/07/08 10:30 AM
The Democrats decided they didn't need Florida at the beginning, don't come whining to us now. Either cough up the cash for another primary (Yes, it is your problem) or lay in the bed you made. Either way you look like idiots.
by John 03/07/08 10:24 AM
Let's do it on line. If you want to vote for Obama go to barackobama.com. If you want to vote for Hillary go to www.hell.com.
by jeff 03/07/08 10:04 AM
Well, jimmy, you must be a Clinton fan. Bottom line is everyone was told the vote wouldn't count so it is unfair to change the rule now that Hillary "won". If Barak had campaigned here, he would have defeated Clinton. She should drop out now.
by Joseph-Daniel 03/07/08 10:00 AM
No Way! We wanted to vote earlier, the DEMs said no; but now they want us to re-vote because it's close!? And they want us to pay for it too! Forget you, DEMs. If they wanted our votes, they should have counted them the first time.
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