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Ideas floated for Democratic redo
Have a plan for a Florida Democratic redo? You're not alone.
By Jennifer Liberto, Wes Allison and Adam Smith
Published March 8, 2008
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Gov. Charlie Crist said he would consider a "blend" of private dollars and taxpayer dollars to pay for a vote-by-mail election.
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The Democrats can't figure a way out of their presidential primary mess, so maybe the Republicans can help them out.
Adding confusion to a process already beset with it, Gov. Charlie Crist on Friday reopened the door for taxpayers to help fund a do-over mail-in Democratic primary run by the state. Democrats variously dismissed it as a Crist publicity grab, a crafty way to weaken the Democratic contenders, or a potentially nifty idea.
Meanwhile some state legislators are toying with a hardball tactic to try to force the national Democratic Party to seat Florida's delegates: pass a law that says any party that doesn't seat delegates based on Florida's Jan. 29 primary doesn't get to have its nominee on the November ballot.
"The danger is, based on the general maturity level of the national party, they are more interested in protecting their authority than winning the election. They may not care," said state Senate Democratic leader Steve Geller.
The ballot idea has dubious political and legal prospects, but it's a sign of the lack of consensus over how to get Florida Democrats' voices counted in a presidential primary possibly headed toward a convention deadlock.
As it stands, Florida and Michigan will have no delegates seated for the August convention as punishment for scheduling primaries earlier than allowed by the national party.
"If you have Floridians who are being disenfranchised, that's just not right," Crist said.
Democrats divided
When it comes to dealing with their primary mess, divided Democrats nationally and in Florida are reading from countless conflicting scripts. Amid their leadership vacuum, Florida's Republican governor has happily stepped into the media spotlight.
His offer to help Florida Democrats is infuriating some of them.
"If Gov. Crist really wants to make some news, he ought to stop offering up improbable ideas for the Democratic primary instead of dealing with the state's Republican recession as a governor should," Florida Democratic Party spokesman Mark Bubriski said.
But U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, Florida's senior elected Democrat, said Friday that he was encouraged by Crist's offers to help and said he would support a primary by mail that's run by the state.
"The enemy here is time. We're going to run out of time if we don't get going pretty quick," said Nelson.
Revote costly
There are no easy answers for getting Florida's 211 delegates and Michigan's 156 restored.
The DNC steadfastly refuses to seat delegates based on the results of the January primaries. Holding new statewide primaries appears prohibitively expensive - as much as $25-million for Florida. Regional caucuses are off the table in Florida because voter participation is low. The most plausible option is a vote-by-mail election, which could cost as little as $4-million.
But the state Democratic Party doesn't have the money, and neither does the national party. Crist said he would consider a "blend" of private dollars and taxpayer dollars, but Bubriski said the state party opposes public money for the election when education and health care face funding cuts.
Other legislative leaders suggest public funding of another primary is off the table.
"I can't save the Democratic Party from Howard Dean," said state House Speaker Marco Rubio, R-Miami. "Democrats voted, a lot of them voted. They voted and Hillary Clinton won. And those delegates should be seated. The only thing standing between Florida and its delegates being seated is not the Florida Legislature. It's Howard Dean."
No agreement
Democratic leaders disagree on whether the party or state should run a second primary, on whether a mail election makes sense, and on whether such an election requires legislative approval.
Even within the Clinton camp, there's no agreement on whether Florida should push for another election to comply with the DNC. Nelson, a Clinton supporter, backs the idea. But U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Broward County, a national co-chair of the Clinton campaign, called it "totally unworkable.
"I am not aware that either the national party, the state party or the two campaigns have the ability or the resources to run a do-over, and a do-over in this case is absolutely inappropriate," she said.
State House and Senate Democratic leaders say they could support a mail-in ballot redo. But House Democratic leader Dan Gelber says the state should stay out of it and Senate Democratic leader Geller thinks the state would have to get involved to "ensure the integrity."
"I don't like the mail-in ballot idea, but it may prove the best of a lot bad options," Geller said.
Approval not needed
The idea of a state-supervised mail-ballot vote grew out of a conversation Crist had Wednesday with Sen. Nelson. "We were chatting, and saying, what can we do to resolve this?" Crist recalled. He and Nelson both support the state overseeing the election, as Crist put it, "to preserve the integrity of it and be sure it's done right."
Even though Dean has said the DNC won't pay for a revote, Crist said Democratic Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm made the point to him that "there might be some wealthy individual out there who may have an interest in doing so."
Nelson said Florida doesn't technically need the candidates' approval - if the state holds a binding primary, they essentially would have to participate or risk losing the delegates. "But just think how much easier it is if you have the candidates willing to go along with this, instead of throwing up roadblocks," Nelson said.
Obama campaign manager David Plouffe wouldn't say if the campaign would be willing to contribute to new elections.
"If there are remedies that the DNC approves of ... or an additional contest, we're obviously going to abide by" it, Plouffe said.
He also said the campaigns shouldn't be saddled with trying to negotiate solutions. "We're in a fierce contest. This is something for the DNC and the state parties to arbitrate."
Times staff writers Steve Bousquet and Alex Leary contributed to this report. Adam C. Smith can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com or 727893-8241.
[Last modified March 8, 2008, 08:31:12]
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by Stephen
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03/09/08 03:08 PM
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Most people understand that the original vote may not be counted, which would be absolutely unfair to the many who stayed home because they knew it would not be counted, as well as the democratic party in FL which caused this mess.
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by steve
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03/08/08 10:50 PM
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Where was the leadership of this state when the party told them what the consequence was for their actions.
No to do overs. No to those who voted for this so that Florida would matter and now we don't matter. Just desserts.
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by Ann
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03/08/08 10:30 PM
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The "electors" that you're referring to, Minerva are part of the Electoral College, not the Democratic National Convention. If there has to be a 2nd primary, then DNC should pay for it. Since when does a committee tell a state what to do anyway?
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by jan
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03/08/08 09:58 PM
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I hate it when people call us "disenfranchised"...we've had our basic citizenship rights hijacked by our own government. We've been Un-Americanized. I'm a vet. I didn't serve my country to have my vote TAKEN AWAY. I want my voice back NOW.
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by Gene
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03/08/08 09:17 PM
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I will not re-vote in FL, my original vote should count! The voters didn't change the primary date! If my original vote don't count, then McCain will get my vote come Nov.!
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by jackie
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03/08/08 07:59 PM
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not my taxpayer dollar for stupidity. Between the 4 million Charlie spent advertising Amend.1 and now this..lots of $ that could or could of gone for a better use. Shame on all these lawmakers. They should chip in for stupidity
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by fl voter
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03/08/08 07:04 PM
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Crist is definitely a publicity whore. He knew what the consequences were when he signed the new primary date into law. Why does he have amnesia now? The words re-vote make me cringe.
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by fl voter
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03/08/08 07:01 PM
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That Mi governor is off her rocker. Now we are SELLING votes to the highest bidder? Once again, the republicans are embarrasing the state of FL. This is Crist's fault for moving the primary date to Jan. He knew what he was doing.
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by Mad inMichigan
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03/08/08 06:45 PM
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I know where Michigan could get some of the money to pay for theirs:
Levinò019s campaign reports today that he ended 2007 with almost $3.9 million in the bank for his re-election campaign.
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by Tom
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03/08/08 06:02 PM
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The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless.
But when it comes to walking the talk, he shows his true colours.
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by Minerva
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03/08/08 06:01 PM
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Art. II Sec. 1 of the Constitution says State Legislatures have power to decide how 'electors' of President are chosen in their state.Constitution says nothing about party bylaws or parties. Howard Dean violates the Constitution.Jail Dictator Dean.
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by richarf
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03/08/08 05:44 PM
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My vote did not count then and thay should not get a 2nd chance.
Have you ever played a game with your childern and have them teach you the rules when they are winning they play the rules but as soon as they start to lose they try to change them
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by Bob
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03/08/08 05:43 PM
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NO!! Absolutely not! We already voted, use those results. There is no other alternative or reason to do it again. If they didn't want a problem, the stupid Fl. Democratic party should have kept the date where it was and avoided all this nonsense.
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by Torrence
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03/08/08 05:01 PM
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THANK YOU CHARLIE CRIST for standing up for the voters in our state. Right is right, and if your previous vote doesn't count because Obama is too whiny, we should have another one.
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by Ray
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03/08/08 04:22 PM
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I am a Repub. but not for long because a Rep controlled FL legislature voted to change the date of the primary and once again we (FL) look like idiots to the rest of the country. It's wrong for all the people who voted not to have their vote count.
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by Debbie
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03/08/08 03:48 PM
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We accept your resignation Crist. Get the he!! out of Florida before you completely ruin it. A RECORD NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOTED IN THE PRIMARY - COUNT IT OR SHOVE IT HOWARD DEAN. AS LONG AS YOU CAN BLOW YOUR HOT AIR AND BE THE FINAL SAY SO, YOU'RE HAPPY
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by tim
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03/08/08 01:49 PM
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These are the same people who have contested every election they didn't win up to forcing Florida taxpayers to spend $30 million on new voting machines
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by Dale
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03/08/08 12:01 PM
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HAHAHAHA!!! And you dems want the government to control your healthcare?! Wait till they amputate your leg and then ask for a do-over!
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by Sam
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03/08/08 11:27 AM
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The more I see Marco Rubio's name..the more I dislike the man.
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by A. Democrat
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03/08/08 10:51 AM
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The state followed the law, the DNC followed their rules. The DNC is now in trouble and THEY should be solely responisible to find a way out. Why should our tax dollars pay for a re-do? Let the party solve it on the convention floor.
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by Steve
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03/08/08 10:10 AM
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I say no we already voted, let the vote stand!!
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by Dave
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03/08/08 09:36 AM
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I don't want any of my tax money used just because a bunch of idiots screwed up! Maybe Hillary can "loan" herself $25 million and pay for another election!
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by Don
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03/08/08 08:47 AM
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Tipical of democrats, they want tax payers to pay for their screw-ups. Democrats are traitors. They can go to hell.
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by Russ
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03/08/08 08:45 AM
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Gov. Crist is doing his best to prolong the Democratic Primary fight, in hopes of damaging both Clinton and Obama, by suggesting a primary do over. the Democratic National Committee should just split the delegates - 50% for each candidate.
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by Russ
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03/08/08 08:36 AM
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It was the Republican-controlled Florida legislature that voted to hold the stateò019s primary in January, thus disenfranchising the stateò019s Democratic voters. Why is this never mentioned during coverage of this story?
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by Ray
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03/08/08 08:35 AM
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If dems want redo.. make Howard Dean pay for it...
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by Will K.
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03/08/08 08:31 AM
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Has anyone considered why Hillary does better in primary elections and Obama does better in caucuses? Perhaps it is because when voting people indicate their preference, and in caucuses there is the intimidation of the crowd. Go Hillary.
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by Larry
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03/08/08 08:23 AM
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Why is it the above listed parties or politicians were fine with the decision made last year and now it's a total reverse. It is crystal clear now that they could care less about the will of the people unless it benefits themselves.
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by Kevin
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03/08/08 08:01 AM
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There should be no do-over. The DNC made a decision and they must now live with the consequences. The true solution is a US Constitution amendment establishing date and primary rules for all registered political parties.
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by Jason
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03/08/08 07:41 AM
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I remember when Howard Dean acted like a donkey in front of the media when he ran for president and now look at who the donkey is again, I, as a Republican do feel bad that Florida's and Mich. dems votes won't count?? Their goes the constitution!
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by Pete
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03/08/08 07:32 AM
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hey save the money and just count the voting that was done. Why waste 25 million more when everyone who got to vote voted. Quit crying foul and let our numbers speak for themselves
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by russ
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03/08/08 06:53 AM
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just the votes in florida both were on ballot so thats fair
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by Vale
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03/08/08 06:51 AM
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The politicians knew when they moved the primary they were violating the rules. The voters knew when they voted that they were in violation.
You blatantly broke the rules, and now you're being punished. Thats how things work.
Better luck in 2012.
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by andy
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03/08/08 06:42 AM
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hey,they could just count the vote that we already did.dah
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by alan
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03/08/08 06:29 AM
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What about all of the people that didn't vote because they thought it wouldn't matter? Are they not being disenfranchised just as much as the voters?
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