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Politics

Dean: Bring me vote plan

Florida and Michigan must submit a primary fix, the Democratic Party leader says.

By Wes Allison, Times Staff Writer
Published March 10, 2008


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Gov. Charlie Crist said he would prefer that delegates be seated based on the Jan. 29 primary.

DNC leader Howard Dean has suggested that a mail-in proposal appears workable.

WASHINGTON - Despite pressure from Florida Democratic leaders to leap into action, national party chairman Howard Dean said Sunday he won't get involved in making Florida and Michigan Democrats count in the presidential nominating convention until the states bring him their plans.

The impasse over Florida and Michigan, which lost their convention delegates for holding their primaries earlier than Democratic rules allowed, dominated the Sunday talk shows, but there remains no consensus about what to do about it.

Dean said a plan being pushed by Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., to hold a state-run Democratic primary by mail could work, but the candidates are ambivalent or disengaged, and Florida's congressional delegation is split on what to do.

Rep. Kathy Castor, D-Tampa, who backs candidate Barack Obama, said Sunday that she doubts a new vote is possible. And support for a new mail-in primary is soft among Gov. Charlie Crist and other Republicans who control state government and whose approval would be necessary.

Appearing on ABC's This Week, Crist also made clear that no state money would be used, meaning Florida Democrats would have to raise the estimated $6-million needed for a mail-in primary. Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., also said on This Week that he doubts his state can hold a new primary.

The possibility of holding new primaries by the Democratic National Committee's deadline of June 10 becomes less likely every day there's not a deal.

Appearing on CBS's Face the Nation, Nelson said he "would appreciate it very much if the chairman would get the DNC to sign on to the primary by mail so we can move on."

But Dean said that the DNC is focused on defeating Republican nominee John McCain in the fall. He also said that otherwise, the close primary race between New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Illinois Sen. Obama is going swimmingly.

"The states have got to put a plan on the table first. And when they do, then we'll take it to the candidates," Dean said on This Week.

Also on This Week, Crist said he would prefer that the Democrats simply seat the Florida delegation based on the Jan. 29 primary. Clinton won it, but none of the candidates campaigned in the state. In Michigan, only Clinton was on the Jan. 15 ballot.

Florida had "a great election, it was flawless essentially, and I think it ought to be recognized," Crist said.

He said he sees "consensus building," but Dean all but rejected that option Sunday.

"I think it's very unlikely that Florida and Michigan, given how close this race is, are going to be seated as is," Dean said on Face the Nation.

He also said any plan must be amenable to Clinton and Obama.

Clinton's campaign wants the original primary elections to count, but increasingly her surrogates are suggesting that new elections might be the best solution. Obama has said he will abide by any arrangement that meets DNC rules.

"We can't have half the Democratic Party walking around, thinking there was some deal cooked, and that's why their person didn't win. ... But first we need to have a proposal," Dean said on Face the Nation.

If Florida and Michigan don't hold new elections, they can appeal to the DNC's credentials committee, which rules the convention and can decide whether and how to seat the states' delegates. Its members are appointed by the candidates.

Times political editor Adam C. Smith contributed to this report. Wes Allison can be reached at allison@sptimes.com or (202) 463-0577.

[Last modified March 9, 2008, 23:05:36]


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by Dorine 03/12/08 07:08 AM
Henry - you vote in good faith because HD doesn't have the authority to not count your vote as we are now seeing but apparently he was too stoopid to realize. He made this mess and now says they won't pay for a revote? Fine - use the vote we took.
by Robert 03/11/08 12:46 PM
Lynette:Florida broke no laws. The DNC cannot make laws. However, our primary WAS made law when the legislature passed it and the Gov. signed it into law. It was up to the DNC to abide by OUR LAW. DNC SNAFU and the FL and Mich. Dems are the losers.
by Theresa 03/11/08 08:46 AM
All I can say is that the state of Florida should NOT pick up the tab if the DNC decides to do a new primary election. We have enough financial shortfalls today that need attention.
by Henry 03/11/08 08:28 AM
Barb-how could you "vote in good faith that your votes would count" when the fact that the votes would NOT count was front page news for weeks prior to the election? Also, I have never seen Obama claim he didn't know he wasn't on the Mich ballot.
by Don 03/10/08 10:34 PM
I hope the mail in votes dont take as long as my rebate check.What a joke.
by Kathleen 03/10/08 08:22 PM
Dean is saying that a redo is neccessary because there are people here who didn't vote because it wouldn't count. BS! There was a major tax issue that needed attention here and all we heard was vote vote vote vote vote It's very important you vote.
by Kathleen 03/10/08 08:18 PM
Why is Bill Nelson even pushing this vote by mail fiasco? It's fraud waiting to happen. Hanging chads would be a picnic compared to a hand count of this large population. We have people volunteering to donate money for a full election.
by Barb 03/10/08 07:06 PM
We voted in good faith that our votes would count, no doubt there were better things to do than waste our time and money on all the expense involved. We voted, count it, move on.By the way,didn't Obama have a clue he wasn't on the Mich. ballot?
by Lynette 03/10/08 05:23 PM
Why is Florida's vote even counting?Florida officials went against laws and held the primary early? No one should get the vote and no re-count. It wasn't legal. If it was held March 11th,as planned, we wouldn't be in this mess!
by Hittman G 03/10/08 04:11 PM
The DNC & GOP Party Chairmen should have never had the power to rule over the voting rights of the people. Clinton & Obama should now be allowed into Florida to sell their platforms before the re-vote.
by JK 03/10/08 03:35 PM
Only time I've ever agreed with Crist. Our primary election was flawless--except for Dean's part in it. Seat the delegates.
by jimmy 03/10/08 03:01 PM
Dean's waiting on a call from Elliott Spitzer...
by Cate 03/10/08 02:09 PM
Howard Dean shows NO leadership! As the DNC head, it IS up to him to find consensus / solution. Wasn't he & his cronies that stripped the votes to begine with? I'm a proud FL Dem, but the National Party messed this one!!
by Debbie 03/10/08 01:12 PM
Let's remember that some of the blame goes on good time Charlie and his cohorts in Tally. Unless the original primary votes are counted, don't do it all. Another fiasco coming out of Florida. Sorry Charlie-McCain wasn't going to pick you anyway...
by Robert 03/10/08 01:00 PM
The phone rings in the White House at 3 a.m. Who do you want to answer it? Easy--John McCain. The only one of the three candidates even remotely qualified to be Commander-in-Chief.
by Bob 03/10/08 12:53 PM
Whiners all! Howie screwed his own party and he wants a do-over to cover his mistake. Now he wants to whore out the party to a sugar-daddy (like Soros)to pay for it. The Dems haven't gotten it right since 2000. Give up and vote Republican!!!
by pacfandave 03/10/08 12:52 PM
Howard (Yeeeeha!) Dean, Tweedle-dee to Terry McAuliffe's Tweedle-dum, got the Dems into this mess, has no idea how to get them out, so leaves it up to Florida and Michigan to solve his problem. The question is, whom does he fear less--Obama or Hil?
by Bob 03/10/08 12:46 PM
Whiners. Dean screwed his own party in FL and now he wants a do-over but doesn't want to pay for it. He also wants to whore out the party to a sugar daddy who could pay the bill like George Soros. Its fun to watch the Dems do it to themselves.
by Rosey 03/10/08 12:44 PM
Either count the first primary votes or don't. Don't have a re-vote. If the outcome is different then there are problems (even if the person I voted for didn't win). This is sending out a very bad message to everyone.
by Kevin 03/10/08 12:17 PM
Folks, the state party screwed this up not the national party. The Dems will still win the presidency regardless of Mi and Fl. Empty chair charlie's remark about "great election" is from the same guy who pushed the amend 1 fiasco. Blue dogs unite.
by Rich 03/10/08 11:37 AM
Mr. Dean wants to play by the rules? Don't the rules require a candidate to have a specific number of delegates to win the nomination. How will either one meet that rule? The rules will have to change since neither one will have enough delegates.
by David 03/10/08 11:18 AM
Folks, the Primary voting is just so the Parties can put someone on the ballot. Why do they get to spend tax money to to that? They are going to put up whoever they want anyway. The real vote comes in November. This is the parties problem, not ours.
by Otis 03/10/08 10:31 AM
This election was a slam dunk for the Democrats going it. Leave it to us to screw that up!
by Normand Guay 03/10/08 10:20 AM
Howard Dean represents what is wrong with this country. The Democrats and Republicans share the blame for our ongoing problems. When was it written that political parties are more important than the people who actually vote.
by Kay 03/10/08 10:16 AM
I boycotted because we were all told our votes would not count. How dare they even consider changing the rules halfway through the game. I am a 22 year democrat and frankly, I'm mad as heck about this whole thing. Don't count them or hold new prim
by Dorine 03/10/08 09:58 AM
One can only shake their head in wonder at the continued stupidity of the leadership of the Democratic Party.
by Lynn 03/10/08 09:30 AM
I was sure I voted in the Dem Primary already, why waste money for a revote. I had the choices, I voted for the canidate I wanted. This ain't golf - no mulligans.
by Daniel 03/10/08 09:25 AM
I voted in the primary and want to be able to vote for my candidate of choice. How dare anyone, rules or not, to violate my right to excersie the right to vote. I say bring back the true backbone the people of the 60's had. Lets start a revolution!
by Dave 03/10/08 09:25 AM
This only shows how the Democratic party continues to try to manipulate the voting system election after election and will stop at nothing to try to gain power.
by Dave 03/10/08 08:54 AM
And these people might run the country?????
by jeff 03/10/08 08:51 AM
I am glad King Dean is waiting on FL and MI to come up with plans suitable to his majesty. It his HIS fault that we are in this mess. Does anyone believe that the primary sysytem was destroyed because FL voted 10 days sooner than King Dean would lik
by Jon 03/10/08 08:50 AM
Isnt Crist aware that the candidates didnt campaign here and people didnt vote because their vote wouldnt count? How is that a "flawless" campaign?
by Laura 03/10/08 08:30 AM
One has to ask - WHY did we get in this mess in the first place? Now it's going to take more money to fix it - money that could be better spent in getting those new jobs FL has been so famous for.
by Gene 03/10/08 08:17 AM
I WILL NOT RE-VOTE! If the DNC doesnò019t count my original vote in FL, neither candidate will get my vote in Nov. I'll vote McCain!
by R 03/10/08 07:53 AM
If we're going to redo the primary, will they let us change parties before sending out ballot? I realize that this is specifically for democrats, but the game has changed at this point for everyone involved, regardless of your stated party.
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