News
Fill out this form to email this article to a friend
VA leaves Pasco Vietnam veterans group feeling abandoned
Eleven Vietnam vets in group therapy feel abandoned when the VA breaks them up.
By William R. Levesque, Time Staff Writer
Published March 11, 2008
|
Marine Charlie Kelley, 64, says it is a slap in the face the way the VA treats Vietnam War vets like him needing care for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
|
 |
|
[Special to the Times (1967)]
|
They returned from an unpopular war without band or bunting. Ugly jungle memories followed them home from Vietnam.
In New Port Richey, 11 Vietnam veterans met weekly for three years to help each other cope. They bonded, helping each other live with the war's aftereffects and struggles of everyday life. But in a scene that some veteran advocates say is being played out across the nation, a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs counselor abruptly broke up the group in November, leaving the men stunned.
Members - called Group 11 by the VA - say they were told by the counselor that the VA was simply overwhelmed with the ever-increasing numbers of veterans needing care for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
"I feel absolutely betrayed," said Charlie Kelley, a 64-year-old Tampa Bay-area resident, former combat Marine and group member. "When we came back from Vietnam, we were ostracized. We did our duty but instead of gaining respect, we lost it. The same thing is happening again. It's a slap in the face."
VA regional spokesman John Pickens denied the agency was overwhelmed. Instead, he said what happened to Group 11 eventually happens to all therapeutic groups.
"At some point, you move on to other types of therapy," Pickens said. "It's got nothing to do with resources. It's a clinical decision."
Pickens said the 11 veterans were offered options, including different therapy sessions. Some were offered one-on-one therapy, he said.
But Kelley said one of the two groups meets only twice a month, and the other starts at 8 a.m., a bad time for men suffering from sleep disorders. In both cases, he said, other members would have a hard time opening up to strangers, their group bond lost.
Group 11 now meets privately at a Pasco restaurant without a counselor. But some of the men say they feel lost and PTSD symptoms - sleeplessness, depression, anxiety, anger, coping skills, among others - are worse.
"What the VA did is immoral," said Kelley, who hopes publicity will lead a counselor to volunteer services for Group 11.
Veteran advocates say more Vietnam veterans than ever are seeking treatment, perhaps because of greater awareness of PTSD.
"Essentially, the return of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans is squeezing the VA's ability to treat veterans from earlier wars," said Tom Berger, chairman of the National PTSD and Substance Abuse Committee for Vietnam Veterans of America.
The Times failed in repeated efforts to arrange an interview with VA officials in Washington to ask if PTSD therapy groups were being curtailed nationally or in Florida, home to 1.7-million veterans.
Pickens said there is no trend at the VA to cut treatment. In fact, the VA says it is increasing resources, hiring more mental health professionals, spending more money.
"Our goal is to help all veterans recover from PTSD, regardless of place or time of service," the local VA said in a statement.
The Times interviewed three members of Group 11. But only Kelley agreed to be identified for this story. The other two said they feared retaliation by the VA and the loss of benefits if they talked to the media.
Kelley said he and other members attempted to get the VA to reinstate Group 11. On Dec. 20, the group wrote a letter to the chief medical officer of the VA's Pasco outpatient clinic.
"We have all tried to deal with this devastating event as best we could," the letter said. "But we have come to realize that the group was our main line of defense."
William Miller, chief medical officer of the clinic, wrote back, "It is the opinion of our Mental Health Section that Group 11 has met their maximum therapeutic benefit."
Kelley and others said they found the Jan. 7 letter insulting. They said it implied that they somehow had been cured.
And the letter appears to contradict patient progress notes by the counselor that say an "increasing number of Vietnam veterans" required a change in how the VA could accommodate Kelley.
The VA said it could not speak about an individual patient's case.
Paul Sullivan, executive director of Veterans for Common Sense, said that since 2001, more Vietnam veterans have sought PTSD treatment than all veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
Sullivan, whose group is suing the VA to provide better mental health care, said the VA always maintains it has enough resources. In reality, he said, it sometimes appears resources are possibly being diverted to newer veterans at the expense of Vietnam-era soldiers.
"For some veterans, PTSD will require a lifetime of care," said Sullivan. "The VA should never pit one generation of veterans against another."
Kelley said all veterans, whatever era, deserve treatment.
"Our group was almost like a living thing," Kelley said. "We trusted one another completely. To just up and drop that was devastating."
William R. Levesque can be reached at levesque@sptimes.com or 813 226-3436.
[Last modified March 10, 2008, 22:30:46]
Share your thoughts on this story
Comments on this article
|
by John
|
03/11/08 07:11 PM
|
|
Is't a sad day when I read the comments that some people are making, like get over it and move on. or that we are only doing it for 2500.00a month. These comments make me ashamed of people in this country. Sad Sad day in America!!!
|
|
by David
|
03/11/08 07:00 PM
|
|
Joe, actually I was a cop and am a Vet
A.H. I did my time and sorry, but I have no reason to go to Iraq, there was no reason for us to go there. You people are probably the same right wingers who always complain about government handouts!!!
|
|
by GrandsonOfWWIandWWII Veteran
|
03/11/08 06:56 PM
|
|
My Grandfather served in WWI and WWII. The VA only informed us of his benefits after he was dead. They mailed him a check which we mailed back. I believe their real motive was to see if we would cash it. Seems their MO is after the fact.
|
|
by Cindy
|
03/11/08 05:01 PM
|
|
I am a daughter of a vietnam vet as well as a wife of a gulf war vet. I peronally have seen the after affects from both my dad and husband of what they will forever have to have memory of. I for one will never take their service(s) for granted!!!
|
|
by roo
|
03/11/08 04:35 PM
|
|
Well Times you have done it again....guess you don't like any critzism so you just don't publish the comments even though the first one fell under your guidelines....talk about censorship....you can dish it out, but I guess you can't take it !!!!
|
|
by Kathleen
|
03/11/08 03:37 PM
|
|
The V.A. is going tohave to change their name, it's insulting to call it the Veterans Administration when they are less and less about the Veteran.
|
|
by Vet
|
03/11/08 02:31 PM
|
|
You all who have never served this country will never understand self-sacrifice for the better good of our nation. Enjoy your liberties, keep taking them for granted and continue to keep bi$ching and moaning about the veterans.
|
|
by Dave
|
03/11/08 02:24 PM
|
|
this is nothing new as anyone who has sought benefits through the VA knows. It is unfortunate David and Tony can't understand what these men went through and are going through to get what they have a right to expect for their service
|
|
by Virginia
|
03/11/08 02:11 PM
|
|
Unless you have PTSD or know someone with PTSD, you will never understand this complex disorder. These men are not whining or wanting someone to hold their hand. They need help. Bravo Mr. Kelley for sharing your story.
|
|
by Max
|
03/11/08 01:50 PM
|
|
Negative comments by perhaps "those" who never were in direct, eye-ball combat, or even served in Military. No real understanding what P.T.S.D. is.
|
|
by Joe
|
03/11/08 01:43 PM
|
|
Hey, Tony and David, you guys ever been in combat or as a cop been in many bad situations that you will never forget, and at times haunt you? well, if not, you have no right to tell these brave veterans to just forget it and move on. You are jealous.
|
|
by Hoshi
|
03/11/08 01:21 PM
|
|
I know it must have been rough, but it has been 35 years, good therapy might be helping the young men coming back now. I really respect our military but carry on soldier - time to give back now.
|
|
by Kenny
|
03/11/08 01:18 PM
|
|
Awareness of PTSD? Maybe the awareness of the $2500.00 each 100% PTSD vet receives each month made them aware! We all suffer from stress and $2500.00 a month sure would help mine! I served. No sympathy here.
|
|
by JR
|
03/11/08 01:14 PM
|
|
My dad was a shrink at the VA for many years, and service was indeed cut back further and further until they were down to seeing patients once every 2-3 months. Ended up using a lot of personal time to try and help people, had to retire.
|
|
by Patrick
|
03/11/08 01:04 PM
|
|
I'd like to see both David and Tony live just one hour of the nightmare that was Vietnam. Armchair Generals, the lot of 'em.
|
|
by Debbi
|
03/11/08 01:01 PM
|
|
Hey David & Tony or should I say IDIOTS! These guys are trying to move on. You weren't there and apparently have no idea what these guys are suffering through. PTSD is a legitimate disorder and they need legitimate help. God bless our Vietnam Vets!
|
|
by Daughter of a Vet
|
03/11/08 12:55 PM
|
|
Have some compassion. If you weren't there you shouldn't judge. Some of these men didn't have a choice to be there (unlike this Iraq war). They come back without limbs and such, and you tell them to move on. Some nerve,YOUR GREAT AMERICANS.
|
|
by Mike
|
03/11/08 12:25 PM
|
|
PTSD like losing the use of my legs is something you never get over. All you can do is live with it, but it takes help to do so. No matter what war you have been in. You would think VA would have learned this long ago.
|
|
by Mike
|
03/11/08 12:11 PM
|
|
This has become all to common. Our group 39 at Bay Pines, VA. was broken up years ago, ad now they are trying it again. Soldiers that have been in combat need help only only other soldiers can help in groups. VA's like Bay Pines just don't care.
|
|
by Anne
|
03/11/08 12:10 PM
|
|
I agree with Jan.Another stupid war.USA had to fight for our freedom. Let those people fight for theirs. They don't appreciate us over there anyway.I don't see any of Pres Bush's kin fighting over there. Why ours?
|
|
by Jim
|
03/11/08 11:26 AM
|
|
What you should be telling VietNam vets that served between 1962-175 is that they were exposed to Agent Orange and may be eligible for tax free compensation for the rest of their lives. All vets need to to is contact VA our county Veterans departmet
|
|
by GrouchoVeteran
|
03/11/08 11:18 AM
|
|
That's why I wouldn't join a therapeutic group willing to give me membership.
|
|
by A.H.
|
03/11/08 11:07 AM
|
|
David, Tony. Great attitude, men (not). And why aren't you out there helping our current soldiers in our battle in Iraq and Afghanistan?
|
|
by Paul T.
|
03/11/08 10:37 AM
|
|
Tony & David, you are both morons. I'd bet that neither one of you came within 10,000 miles of a war, so shut up and show some respect for the real men who protect this country.
|
|
by rita
|
03/11/08 10:33 AM
|
|
there are many vietnam vets out there who are not carrying on like these guys. they are dealing with it. if they want to meet, they still can. no one is trying to break them up. there is a limit to how long the va is expected to take care of them.
|
|
by Army Vet
|
03/11/08 10:33 AM
|
|
This is to Tony, David and any other idiots that don't get PTSD. Imagine watching your mother burning alive. How long would that memory haunt you? Don't judge until you have been there! US Army 89-91; Desert Storm disabled vet.
|
|
by Go USA
|
03/11/08 10:22 AM
|
|
Easy for people to say get on with your life who have not experienced the trauma associated with war and being spat on by fellow countrymen. Must be a lot of squids and flyboys writing these comments.
|
|
by Bobbybrown
|
03/11/08 09:52 AM
|
|
Thnak you George W. Bush.
|
|
by Charlene
|
03/11/08 09:44 AM
|
|
This is disgraceful, shameful treatment of our vets. I am a former wife of a Vietnam vet. We were married for 19 years. When he went into crisis mode, and decided to divorce me, I became ineligible for VA counseling. Nice! After taking care of him...
|
|
by Joe
|
03/11/08 08:55 AM
|
|
Bravo, AGAIN to the St. Pete Times for brining these stories to light and offering to help find solutions. It is a shame the way Vets are treated in this country. Keep up the good work.
|
|
by OutOfPampers
|
03/11/08 08:48 AM
|
|
We've heard Vietnam for practically 4 decades. Forrest Gump gave us the big picture. The time for healing has passed and now it is time to pickup a shovel or spatula and start a digg'n or a flipp'n.
|
|
by Mike
|
03/11/08 08:41 AM
|
|
As a Vietnam vet myself,I am absolutely appalled at the lack of service provided for even critically ill men.There are still lots of vets fighting the effects of Agent Orange.The VA theory is to hope they die before they have to treat them.Shameful!
|
|
by Susan
|
03/11/08 08:38 AM
|
|
Where's Super Ginny when you need her? Can't she intervene? There are a lot of odd things going on at the VA of late...Thanks Charles Kelly for being unafraid to stand up to them...
|
|
by JPD
|
03/11/08 07:37 AM
|
|
40 years of therapy is enough!! It's time to move on. Quit milking the people of America and get on with your life. Yes, we appreciate what you did, but it is time to MOVE ON!
|
|
by Betty
|
03/11/08 07:26 AM
|
|
I can't believe that these men can't move on with their lives already. Stop milking the system already. A bunch of weak men who are making excuses for their own failures in life.
|